The Piece de Resistance .........Vivid offers Octomom $1million (ideas, fertility, parent)

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Originally Posted by miasmommy

Because there are MILLIONS of irresponsible and/or BAD parents.

AND if you can't be part of the solution YOU are part of the problem

The SYSTEM failed these poor children. The SYSTEM failed Nadya. The SYSTEM failed the taxpayers. The SYSTEM failed those that truly need assistance.


We need a system reform.

She did it over & over & over again...

This is not a one time or even TWO time thing...she did it SIX times...and for the absolute wrong reasons.

I've seen more than a few doctors state that this woman & the doc are an embarassment to the science of medicine. They abused a wonderful thing.

Nayda KNEW what she was doing. She lied to everyone, to include her parents, b/c she wanted to keep getting pregnant. That fact that this is a true sign of mental illness is undeniable.

The system DID NOT fail her...HER PARENTS failed her!!! To continue to allow this woman to live this lifestyle; to not step in & take some serious action; to allow her to berate them & tell them what THEY are going to do for HER....

She did this to give a big old F U to mom & dad. She did this FOR HER.

The system did not tie her up & blindfold her.

The doctor is under investigation. And he should be nailed for this incredbily dangerous thing that he did. He was doing it FOR HIM & then tooted it on tv in 2006.

Watch Casey Anthony. Listen to Ronald Cummings. We all sit & say how sad; how awful. These people are still alive. They still breathe. Caylee Anthony was killed. Put in a plastic bag. A 2yr old had duct tape put over her mouth & was put in a plastic bag. Miasmommy...imagine that being YOUR daugher. Hayleigh Cummings lived in a home surrounded by drugs (crystal meth to be exact) & domestic abuse. A 5 yr old around crystal meth. Again, Miasmommy...what if that was your daughter?

And ALL of these recent cases that are on tv nonstop revolve around chaotic homes that have very untraditional & very unhealthy parents.

They all come from bad backgrounds with some sort of problems with their parents. Their parents are just as much to blame.

And the parents are still alive. But the children DID suffer...and painfully.

And Miasmommy....Nayda Suleman is the poster child of all of this & she also has an extreme air of arrogance & narcissism that gets under people's skin.

Since she has taken no responsibility for a very bad decision, it only outrages people more b/c there are HUNDREDS of woman out there who want to be her or think like her...and that is dangerous for not only the woman, but the children.

I love when a movie star gets on tv & says how their life revolves around their children & how life couldn't be better & how everything is just so different b/c it's now 24/7 child...but that's NOT the case...they have the personal trainers, the cooks, the nannies, the security guards, the income, the maids...all the things that let them continue to live a life of absolute THEM and so when yep, all they have to do is sit around & hug their child b/c everyone is doing everything for them and they don't have to lift a finger or worry about a thing.

This isn't real. And Nayda Suleman isn't really thinking.

Yes, the system is broke. But saying "Oh, just let her be. She made a mistake"...that's also continuing to allow & accept this pisspoor behavior.

People are just sick of it being excepted when they are trying to do the right thing.

She was the final straw for a lot of people. Her incredible arrogance & self-righteousness doesn't help.

People can help by not accepting it. By offering her FREE help but not cash.

Miasmommy...she is only doing things & accepting things that give her DIRECT cash. She's been offered lots of free help & has turned it down.

There are people out there who are trying to help. But she is turning them down unless it has $$ tied to it.

I got so into it because of the children. Not the 8 that were just born...but the six she already has...they DO NOT deserve a circus show for a life and their mother IS allowing it.

For many, the forum has just been a place to vent. That's all. This is the only place I even talk about it. Life does go on. ANd I have a family who deserves me to be the best I can be. So, I release my anger via a keyboard & then go play rocket ship repair man with my son or red light/green light.

The system did fail her. But she also played it. And now she should have to pay. If that means she pays via public backlash, so be it.

[Mr Floyd]

The best system in the world, whatever that is, can't eliminate insanity. Perhaps it can minimize it. There is someone out there just waiting to take advantage of legal loopholes. Look at CA Medi-Cal. Ripe with fraud that whole departments have trouble controlling.

Additionally, doctors have a code of ethics and this physician's ethics are being questioned. Did he violate this code? That is being questioned now.

Lots of comments on how a mom such as this, or a porn mom, can teach morals to a child. Hell. If you can't give them the basics (food, shelter, love), morality won't even matter. They will perish before it becomes an issue.

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Originally Posted by miasmommy

The SYSTEM failed these poor children. The SYSTEM failed Nadya. The SYSTEM failed the taxpayers. The SYSTEM failed those that truly need assistance.

WHAT!?

That's enough...I've had it with the victim mentality. Like some how she didn't have any control over this...

The discussion is about Ms. Suleman, not the sire thereof. Please separate the real victims from the perpetrator.

SHE CHOSE this. It was NOT an accident. Repeatedly. Even the result of 8 embryos instead of 6...she was warned this could happen. She made a decision - to have all of those children - to have ANY of them - while defrauding her parents and the State.

It was not 'THE SYSTEM'.

The SYSTEM did not fail Nadya. The SYSTEM...well, yeah, if she can hide legal compensation, misused student loans, shop at Nordstrom's, collect donations and yet still qualify for FOOD STAMPS...yeah, it has failed the tax payers.

She crossed the line from negligent, irresponsible to criminal.

You want reform? I do, too...but somehow I think our ideal differs.

[Mr Floyd]

The system did not tie her up & blindfold her.


This isn't real. And Nayda Suleman isn't really thinking.


The system did fail her. But she also played it. And now she should have to pay. If that means she pays via public backlash, so be it. [End Quote]

Our fascination with, indeed our very idea of, celebrity is surreal at best. As far as we've come technologically, we seem to have regressed sociologically. We are all able to instantly connect yet we seem to be engaging in a sort of mass disconnect.

I believe there is truth to the statement that "this stuff happens because we let it happen." From an entertainment standpoint, we love a train wreck and this women provides a catastrophic wreck at that. Reality TV only furthers this phenomena. As if Springer vaulted every other freak into the limelight. Have you seen Rock of Love? Freaks! Charm School? Freaks! Bad Girls Club? Freaks!. The Hills? Well...just boring...This is what the powers that be have determined will bring in the largest audiences and therefore a larger advertising bonanza. Who is that a reflection of? The masses!

With this as a backdrop, it's no wonder we don't have more Nadyas and the like.

Her parent report card? F- - - -

[afoigrokerkok]

Call her a parent...say the system failed HER....how can anyone possibly defend her like this?

She's not a real parent and the system isn't failing her...SHE is the one who is playing the system and her "parenting" consists of having more children so that SHE can be famous/have brand new little toys every so often/get even more money/work the system even MORE.

[miasmommy]

Originally Posted by afoigrokerkok

Call her a parent...say the system failed HER....how can anyone possibly defend her like this?

She's not a real parent and the system isn't failing her...SHE is the one who is playing the system and her "parenting" consists of having more children so that SHE can be famous/have brand new little toys every so often/get even more money/work the system even MORE.

I mean that it should have never been allowed. There are people above her with more power that shouldn't have let this happen.

How do so many people recieve "aid" when they don't deserve it? Or lie on applications? There should be people who check into this.

How do people NOT know she has all these children to begin with? Why didn't someone report it? If it is such a problem and issue to have this many children, why was it of no concern before the media madness?

She did not have the ultimate say. Did she do the implant? Did she have a lab? NO NO NO

The only fault I find in this woman is her emotional/mental illness. She does not SEE any problems with what has been done. She is in denial. She is ill. She needs help for her baby's/children's sake.

I'm not "on her side" or trying to take blame away from her. Her illness started this whole thing but the doctors and the system followed through on all of actions and wishes.

And by the way, I try my best to NOT JUDGE people and situations, especially like this one. I am not God. I am no better or worthy than anyone.

Funny, I never knew there were SO MANY GODS here on this forum.

[jaindow]

Originally Posted by miasmommy

AND if you can't be part of the solution YOU are part of the problem

This is ridiculous. These either-or type of statement serve to get rid of any middle ground and force people to take sides. That is why they are often used by extremists and religious organizations. Just because an individual chooses not to take part in THIS particular battle or cause, does not mean he/she part of the problem. There are so many battles/causes in the world that it is impossible for an individual to take action on all of them. And I hardly think that for the X number of battle/causes an individual chooses to take on, then he/she is still at fault for or continuing to contribute to the problem of the other thousands of battles/cause they do not take on.

It's interesting how people who feel adamantly about a cause sometimes take this simplistic thinking and say those who don't join them in taking action is automatically against them. And it's simplistic thinking because it is thinking that doesn't bother to delve deeper into the issues and consider or analyze any other factors at play.

[afoigrokerkok]

Originally Posted by miasmommy

The only fault I find in this woman is her emotional/mental illness. She does not SEE any problems with what has been done. She is in denial. She is ill.

She may be mentally ill I'll give you that but I'm pretty sure she knows it and understood what she was doing. Everything was PLANNED. In addition, her BS in psychology makes me think of 2 possibilites: 1) she could be intentionally appearing to be mentally ill, and 2) she may really be but knows exactly how to manipulate that and use it to her advantage.

[miasmommy]

Originally Posted by jaindow

This is ridiculous. These either-or type of statement serve to get rid of any middle ground and force people to take sides. That is why they are often used by extremists and religious organizations. Just because an individual chooses not to take part in THIS particular battle or cause, does not mean he/she part of the problem. There are so many battles/causes in the world that it is impossible for an individual to take action on all of them. And I hardly think that for the X number of battle/causes an individual chooses to take on, then he/she is still at fault for or continuing to contribute to the problem of the other thousands of battles/cause they do not take on.

It's interesting how people who feel adamantly about a cause sometimes take this simplistic thinking and say those who don't join them in taking action is automatically against them. And it's simplistic thinking because it is thinking that doesn't bother to delve deeper into the issues and consider or analyze any other factors at play.

What are you talking about???? I am hardly adamant about this!!! I just find it unfare to put all the blame on Nadya!!!!

And I am willing to say that I don't have an exact solution so I have no room to judge her especially!!!

All anyone is doing is complaining and judging. THOSE are the people that the "if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem" is directed at.

NOT THOSE WHO CHOOSE NOT TO GET INVOLVED

[jaindow]

Originally Posted by miasmommy

All anyone is doing is complaining and judging. THOSE are the people that the "if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem" is directed at.

This does make more sense. In the original posting where that statement occurred, it wasn't written this way and if it was implied then I totally missed it. I just read a general statement that was thrown out there and commenting on the relevance of that type of statement.

Originally Posted by miasmommy

What are you talking about???? I am hardly adamant about this!!!

The last part of my post was not directed at you specifically. If it came across that way, then I apologize. My intent was to comment on how interesting I find a particular phenomena that seems to happen often.