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Both photos are legal to post, and the first is not a professionally taken photo, and yes I have permission to post it. The second is a widely distributed photo of Phan Thi Kim Phuc borrowed from Wikipedia.
Tell me what is offensive about either one? Both evoke emotions, which photos are intended to do, from the "Ahhh..." to the "AHHH!"
My most favorite photos are from right after my children's births, naked on the scale showing their weight, or hanging a sling on a fish scale.
"Child sexual abuse is not solely restricted to physical contact; such abuse could include noncontact abuse, such as exposure, voyeurism, and child pornography. Abuse by peers also occurs."
With that said, I'd say it is AT LEAST 1/4 girls and 1/6 boys.
Actually, I'd like to add myself. That means 3/6 of my siblings including myself have been sexually abused.
Both photos are legal to post, and the first is not a professionally taken photo, and yes I have permission to post it. The second is a widely distributed photo of Phan Thi Kim Phuc borrowed from Wikipedia.
Tell me what is offensive about either one? Both evoke emotions, which photos are intended to do, from the "Ahhh..." to the "AHHH!"
My most favorite photos are from right after my children's births, naked on the scale showing their weight, or hanging a sling on a fish scale.
Thanks for posting, I get the feeling a lot posters don't see the
severity of the problem. Its not the strange guy on the street corner,
its someone a parent or child knows and trusts.
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I just recalled 18 people I know really well. Of the 18, 6 of them were sexually abused. Those are the ones I know about.
I have 5 siblings (living) 2 have been abused.
I worked in a daycare for a few years (out of 22 kids, we were aware of 3 sexual abuse cases)
Sexual abuse does not mean rape. It can be as simple as an innuendo.
"Child sexual abuse is not solely restricted to physical contact; such abuse could include noncontact abuse, such as exposure, voyeurism, and child pornography. Abuse by peers also occurs."
With that said, I'd say it is AT LEAST 1/4 girls and 1/6 boys.
Actually, I'd like to add myself. That means 3/6 of my siblings including myself have been sexually abused.
Both photos are legal to post, and the first is not a professionally taken photo, and yes I have permission to post it. The second is a widely distributed photo of Phan Thi Kim Phuc borrowed from Wikipedia.
Tell me what is offensive about either one? Both evoke emotions, which photos are intended to do, from the "Ahhh..." to the "AHHH!"
My most favorite photos are from right after my children's births, naked on the scale showing their weight, or hanging a sling on a fish scale.
I can understand and respect your opinions. I still don't think that babies and young children should be photographed naked for all to see. Especially not on the Internet. If people do take pictures of their kids naked, I'm not sure why they would put them online. I would think that would be a private thing. The first picture that little baby is adorable. I don't think its bad because there are no private body parts sticking out. The second picture is really distasteful to look at. The second one is very disturbing to me too.
I can understand and respect your opinions. I still don't think that babies and young children should be photographed naked for all to see. Especially not on the Internet. If people do take pictures of their kids naked, I'm not sure why they would put them online. I would think that would be a private thing. The first picture that little baby is adorable. I don't think its bad because there are no private body parts sticking out. The second picture is really distasteful to look at. The second one is very disturbing to me too.
I don't know anyone who would post naked pics of their kids online with all hanging out, thank God.
I do think there is a lesson to be learned however, about culture and cultural tolerance. I read a post somewhere once where a man who emmigrated to the US received a picture of his sister nursing her baby. He said all the family were all ooo and ahhs but since his emmigration to the US, he could not comfortably displayed in his home. Back home it was completely exceptable. In fact, in our own ancestral culture it has always been exceptable until the last few hundred years when the rights of the woman were stripped away in combination by a king and christian leaders and things were made wrong that are completely natural and safe from nursing vs bottles to it being pagan to eat wild plants for food or medicine vs planting gardens to teaching our children about our ancestoral spiritual traditions.
I am not personally offended by it. I was abused quite heavily as a child and while I was chasing my children with a towel yelling, "Hey...you get back here!" after bathtime while they streaked giggling through the house, I smiled and laughed right along with them just wondering what it must be like to be a child who felt so safe as to be inclined to do so so freely, not so worried and ashamed that they were even afraid to be seen bathing or peeing as young toddlers because someone had decided to strip that sense of freedom from them.
As for pic two, I too was very very shocked. If you ever get the chance, you should read the story about her. Quite shocking and inspiring. But as far as the OP and this pic, I was illustrating that the media sure can get away with things while the innocence of a natural family moment is being prosecuted as some evil horrid thing, one little story that can really affect how we all live our lives. That is sad.
since i do not know what ALL the photos looked like and cannot comment---i hope there were other undisclosed reasons for the kids to be removed---cps workers because of their poor pay,benefits,and TRAINING are often new young people just out of college--sometimes overzealous,often just collecting a check.they often burn out early due to large caseloads,lack of support services,public co-operation.i saw them frequently in the ER----and always felt their job was so difficult
I found this on the comments section of Shine Yahoo :
There's an easy way to fix CPs' little red wagon of overstepping their authority: every concerned citizen should protest their actions by phoning & reporting that all Wal-marts across the nation should be shut down for their blatant & massive distribution of kiddie porn.
Hear me out on this - Wal-mart carries several parenting magazines in their book section, If you open up the pages of any of these parenting magazines, you will find advertisements for various baby things - and often pictures of naked babies are used to sell these items, even when they aren't in the bath! Diaper companies are especially bad for making baby porn - some of their pics even have an adult patting the naked babies' bottoms - pure filth! (this is said tongue-in-cheek, but I think you get my drift).
So there you have it, we have a good way to fight back & get Wal-mart shut down, parenting magazines banned & diaper companies put out of business - they are certainly more involved in the evils of child pornography than the average parent. If everybody were to truly participate in such a protest, CPS will be so over-loaded with calls, that they *might* just think twice about taking children away too quickly.
I really feel like calling Arizona CPS and saying exactly that over the phone. If they say that's ridiculous, I would ask them if "bathtime photos" considered as pornography is ridiculous too. If they say yes, then I would ask them what the CRAP they were thinking taking these girls away from their loving parents for an entire month, over nothing more than said "bathtime photos". Trying to prevent "abuse" ha, the only "abuse" here was by CPS in seizing these children for a month.
I also feel like uploading a bathtime photo of myself at 2, but I'm wondering if someone could go after me for "exposing myself" .
That is the truth! I think that they mostly go after the good families or the actual disciplining families because they are to scared of the ones who are really abusing their children. Well if an adult is scared of these people think about how scared the child/ren must be.
Going after the good families or the actual disciplining famlies makes it look like they are doing their jobs without having to do any real work. At our local CPS office you can go in there at any time during the day and see at least 4-5 case workers standing around drinking coffee or some sort of beverage just BSing. Not one of them seem to be to overly stressed or in to big of a hurry to get back to work, but from some of the police reports, they should have a ton of work to do.
We had one incident, where I kid you not, CPS had been called in because a child was being abused. They took the kid for a couple of days and then returned the child after their so called investigation. In less than six months after the child was returned, the child ended up being put in the dryer and the dryer turned on. The child died of course do to the injuries and the high heat from the dryer. The child was under 4yo. It was a case where the mother's live in was abusing the child, but the live in supposedly moved out and that is why the child was returned. The live in ended up moving back in.
I think that you are dead right.
We had a friend who was a very good mother who swatted her kid for repeatedly breaking things in the grocery store. A lady saw the swat followed he home and called CPS. CPS came with a warrent, took the kids away and spent hours searching the house, cataloguing everything in it, and interviewing the parents. The kids were nto returned until very late at night traumatized and scared to death (it was a school niight too).
We had a neighbor who lived in an apartment house accross the street from us when we first moved into a neighborhood that was on its way out of being a really bad area. The lady was a drug addict and apparently a prostitute (or maybe just very active with lots of different guys without charging). She used to abuse her kids in the front yard, usually by kicking them in the knees. If we tried to stop her she would take them inside and you would hear them screaming. We called CPS a dozen times and they would not come. We can only guess that they were afraid to go to an apartment building in a "scary" part of town.
This is not the only examples that we have seen of what you are saying, but it is the most blatent that I know of. Like vary many government agencies, CPS needs to be taken apart from the top down and rebuilt with new people and new oversight and new rules.
I struggle regularly with the lack of common sense and responsibility in law enforcement and social services. Not just CPS, but at learly every level in every branch or department of government. Where did common sense go?
If CPS or DCF did not check out every claim then the people complaining about them now would be complaining about them not doing anything. My brother is adopted out of foster care after his parents tried to kill him as newborn by putting large amounts of salt in his bottles, he barely survived. If DCF had not removed him he would probably be dead by now, it wasn;t until the second time that they were able to take him.
We have had other children that were aboused, neglected. And somtimes innocent seeming people are guilty. An abuser is not always obvious, they are not grimy, gross looking older men, they can de your neighbor.
Family services is not perfect they make mistakes, they are human, but better to overreact than to wait.
And the number of children hurt in foster care are a very very tiny fraction of the total kids in foster care.
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I still don't think that babies and young children should be photographed naked for all to see. Especially not on the Internet. If people do take pictures of their kids naked, I'm not sure why they would put them online. I would think that would be a private thing. The first picture that little baby is adorable. I don't think its bad because there are no private body parts sticking out. The second picture is really distasteful to look at. The second one is very disturbing to me too.
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