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Yeah...do you honestly believe that every single (or even most) parents with too many children and not enough money or time is in that situation because 'something bad happened'?
Keep drinking the Koolaid. No one is ever responsible for anything in y'all's world.
Just like your assessment of poor parenting, you're wrong again.
I've seen stuff you can't imagine. What that's taught me is that people have choices. And a lot of them make the wrong ones. And you can try and beg and plead for them not to, you can show them the right way, you can throw your own money at them, but if they have to have it their way, they're going to do it.
Just like your assessment of poor parenting, you're wrong again.
I've seen stuff you can't imagine.
Well alright. Then I can't possibly understand where you are coming from, can I?
And, unless you have children of your own or a weight issue of your own, you have no idea where overweight people or their parents are coming from either.
Like it or not, your opinions are not fact.
Last edited by springfieldva; 02-05-2010 at 09:47 AM..
I think we're simply misunderstanding each other when we read one another's posts recently.
I took your post completely in a totally different direction in my mind---as if you thought organic food and excersise was a bad thing.
But I do understand what you're saying now. And I agree too!
Thanks.
From the standpoint of a parent of toddlers, my goal right now is to simply teach them that "appearance" is not an indicator of a good person/good family, etc.
Should I not allow my child to be friends w/ an overweight child b/c his/her parents were possibly irresponsible in how they feed their child? All other issues in that family may be 100% perfect minus they have made very poor food decisions. Would never do that to my children nor give the attitude in my family that is how it should be done.
Looking at people who are overweight & their children are overweight and so on is one piece of the puzzle. It is sad and it is frustrating at times, but guess what, there are things in my life that I pretty much stink at & another family may be great at & I don't need that family rubbing it in my face. It does NOTHING.
What is that David Bowie quote from Breakfast Club:
"And these children that you spit on as they try to change their worlds;
are immune to your consultations, they are quite aware of what they are
going through."
If many of us do not think that the majority (not all, but the majority) are not aware they have problems but are not at a place yet or just don't have the strength to fix them..that's ignorance. They do know.
Of course organic foods (most, again, not all) & exercising are the best options, Hopes. I have never denied that & am a huge advocate of exercising and being physically active.
I also know that while my kids may be the "perfect weight perfect height" doesn't mean they won't bully other kids, get on drugs, steal, become dads at 13....and that the parents who are in shape and work out and eat well..doesn't mean dad isn't an alcoholic and mom isn't having an affair.
Just never been a person who is impressed by appearances (common sense applies...I would not eat at a bug infested dirty looking restuarant) or felt the need to judge the parenting skills of those around me if they are of a different weight. One of my closest mommy friends is very much overweight, knows it, but has some of the most amazing skills and talents as a mom and her children are wonderful. I've learned so much from her. Had I snubbed her b/c she weighed more than she should and eats the wrong foods, I would have lost a wonderful person in my life. And some posters on here are very much giving off the attitude that their superior parenting skills of using carrots and celery means they are better than those who did not. Some need to work on character development over making sure their kids lips only touch apples and oranges.
Well alright. Then I can't possibly understand where you are coming from, can I?
And, unless you have children of your own or a weight issue of your own, you have no idea where overweight people or their parents are coming from either.
Like it or not, your opinions are not fact.
How do you know I don't have both or am not very close to people who have both?
Again...the minority of people who fall in this situation do so without being at fault at all...that's not an opinion.
In the nature vs nurture battle of obesity, it's clearly been proven that nurture is the culprit 90% of the time.
In the nature vs nurture battle of obesity, it's clearly been proven that nurture is the culprit 90% of the time.
No one is arguing that but that in itself doesn't make one a "BAD PARENT"
Not to mention, can you tell just by looking at someone whether they are in the 90% or the 10%? Even if you think you can, is it really necessary? Worry about your own family. Worry about the food supply in general and how it's changed and the messages we are sending our kids. Worry when you hear schools are cutting PE and recess. Even better if you don't just worry but actively seek to change those things. Don't waste your time staring at the person you pass on the street whose child is overweight and making a judgement about what bad parents that child must have.
Last edited by maciesmom; 02-05-2010 at 12:53 PM..
No one is arguing that but that in itself doesn't make one a "BAD PARENT"
Not to mention, can you tell just by looking at someone whether they are in the 90% or the 10%? Even if you think you can, is it really necessary? Worry about your own family. Worry about the food supply in general and how it's changed and the messages we are sending our kids. Worry when you hear schools are cutting PE and recess. Even better if you don't just worry but actively seek to change those things. Don't waste your time staring at the person you pass on the street whose child is overweight and making a judgement about what bad parents that child must have.
This is a good point.
And walking around judging people is not a habit of mine.
But being permissive as a society and not holding people responsible for their choices (that wind up affecting all of us eventually - high cost of medical care, loss of workforce, bad examples for our own children, etc) - is not a great idea, either.
I find it increadible how 121804 can first call me judgemental and a hypocrit, then come up with all sorts of rather unpleasant conclusions surrounding me as a person and my psychiatric health, then write the stuff about not wanting the "wife of Tiger Woods"-life or any relation with anyone like him, when really all we know about the Tiger Woods case is what media have told us. Thus judging alot more specific cases than the event that happpens a couple of times per hour in just about any open fastfood restraunt. On top of this Im not the only one to be accused by 121804 of being hypocritical or judgemental.
So... if keeping children away from serious obesity doesnt have anything to do with the quality of parenting...
What does good quality parenting include?(other than love to keep answers more constructive)
This is a good point.
And walking around judging people is not a habit of mine.
But being permissive as a society and not holding people responsible for their choices (that wind up affecting all of us eventually - high cost of medical care, loss of workforce, bad examples for our own children, etc) - is not a great idea, either.
fat parents = fat kids.
60% of americans are overweight.
they are-- they know-- they dont care.
its all part of a greater short term strategy.
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. Then I can't possibly understand where you are coming from, can I?
