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Old 02-19-2012, 11:37 AM
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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Originally Posted by Gnutella View Post
Georgia does not have mandatory vehicle inspections, and I see more dead cars at the side of the road, and more cars being driven around that are obvious safety hazards, than I've ever seen in Pennsylvania. I don't have a problem with mandatory car inspections because they force you to take care of your car in exchange for the privilege of driving. (No, driving is not a right, so mandatory car inspections do not infringe upon anybody's rights.)
It's the same in Ohio. I always notice how many more crappy cars there appear to be on the road in Ohio over PA.
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Old 06-24-2015, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Honest Bob View Post
I think that somebody here is smoking dope.

Give me the license plate number of the vehicle and the address of the garage that inspected it and I will guarantee you that if it is illegal - it will not have a sticker tomorrow.

Then give me the license plate number and the owners name and address and telephone number of the vehicle that failed for a minor dent and chipped paint and the owners name and person who inspected the vehicle and I will guarantee you that there will be an investigation.

How ever - if you are lying and just trying to get back at someone - because your pile of junk, which looked good on the outside - but was mechanically insecure - failed for a reason other then the minor dent and paint chip missing - I will call you out on this one.

The inspection regs says that you can have rust anywhere except in the passenger compartment. That means that the bed of a pick up truck, as long as it does not have a cap on it - can be half rusted through - as long as there is no sharp edges - and can legally pass inspection.

I have seen farm trucks, that hauled fertilizer, that was 25 years old, kept in a barn, that only had 24,000 miles on it, that was half rusted away.

While idiots - who has a 4 year old truck, that hauls Amish around, that has 200,000 miles on the odometer. With a body that looks like new, but the suspension is wore out from one end to the other and the wheel bearings were so bad that the brake rotors were wearing through the caliper mounts.

Which vehicle deserves to be on the road?

Things that must be on the vehicle and working includes, tail lights, license plate lights, head lights, turn signal lights, all lens must be clear, no lens is allowed to be cracked. Head Lights must be aimed - and must be checked.
If the vehicle has fog lights, both fog lights must work.

All suspension components - ball joints, tie rod ends, drag links, upper / lower control arms, McPhearson struts, shock absorbers, must be in good conditions and free from defects. Vehicle must be in alignment, dent in fender cannot prohibit the head light from being aimed properly.

No missing material in grill area and nothing sticking out of grill.
Nothing allowed to be hanging off rear view mirror.

All glass must be in vehicle and all windows should work.
Horn must blow.
Brakes must have minimum amount of material on pads / shoes to pass
Brake rotors must not have more then 3 heat check cracks in 12 inch span.

NO stickers - decals etc - below ASI Line
No cracks in windshield wiper area - in drivers view.

No rust or leaks on exhaust - that is not to say that there is a minimum amount of noise that is tolerable - especially when these kids puts a 4 inch school bus exhaust on a Dodge Neon.

No leaks on fuel lines, no leaks or major rust on brake lines.

What I would like to know is how many of you city slickers like Badguykc - actually crawls under their vehicle and jacks it up once a month to inspect these defects?

In all actuality - nobody does it until they have a problem.
So in all fairness - the inspection mechanic does you a favor, buy looking at your car for $20 and telling you what is wrong with it and what needs fixed and what is ok and allows you to travel another year if it passes.

If it is junk, it generates work for the garage or for you - to fix before you get your sticker. By the time you buy the tools to do a simple brake job - you might as well give the mechanic $50 and just let them put your brakes on your vehicle anyways.

I honestly feel that you just have hard feelings because your vehicle was not mechanically sound and failed inspection - while someone else vehicle was mechanically sound - but the body was in poor shape and you had hard feelings - because you did not want to put any money into your vehicle and just wanted to keep driving it the way it was and when it failed - protested the loss of $28 for the inspection and the money you needed to spend to make your vehicle road worthy.

So in my honest opinion - more vehicles should fail state inspection and more mechanic's should come down harder on a person and make them fix the small defects before they become bigger issues.
There is too much junk on the roads these days - since Cash For Clunkers and a tight economy has people hanging onto their junk longer and many people have neglected the maintenance to the point of now of where it is fix it or park it.

So which one are you?

Honest Bob ..... You seem to know what you are talking about....I have a 2002 Chevy passed emissions (in PA.. Where I live) with flying colors car is machanically sound... (As a female who knows a little bit about cars) anyhow... Machanic told me it wouldn't pass inspection because "the rear sub-frame rust" I've never heard of sub-frame but I assume it supports the cars frame (which I am aware if bent/broken car is then considered totaled) I can not find anywhere in the PA code for inspection indicating this being a reason to fail... Now I am aware the car has rust (won't deny that, I've been under it and planned on replacing muffler since it is rusted/chroted - not leaking yet so still pass-able for inspection purposes) and i understand it could be dangerous .... In my research sub-frame holds engine/trans all of which is in front of the car...
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Old 06-26-2015, 02:30 PM
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PA inspection is a scam as are all state inspections. Local garage associations pay local pols a lot to keep the give-a-way alive. When PA got the smog test, the state had to step in and put controls in place after people were getting totally ripped off by the garages who just purchased the new machines. Needs to be done away with completely. lots of states don't have inspections and there are no adverse repercussions from that.
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Old 04-16-2017, 10:02 PM
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Default It is a right.

Originally Posted by Craziaskowboi View Post
Georgia does not have mandatory vehicle inspections, and I see more dead cars at the side of the road, and more cars being driven around that are obvious safety hazards, than I've ever seen in Pennsylvania. I don't have a problem with mandatory car inspections because they force you to take care of your car in exchange for the privilege of driving. (No, driving is not a right, so mandatory car inspections do not infringe upon anybody's rights.)
Read the constitution.
9th amendment:
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Directly provided for is that any action that does not specifically cause harm to others is a god given right. To answer your next statement, a car that looks unsafe is not proof of its lack of safety, as well as the fact that until an action is committed by said driver of an unsafe car, it is not harming others. Having traveled throughout the U.S. and seeing the danger of driving, I can classify the types of dangerous drivers into several categories.

1. "Safety" violators
- those with cars without seatbelts or modified, etc.
No true hazards can be seen by this category.

2. Lack of attention drivers
- these drivers create the true hazards on the road by texting and driving, driving distracted, dui/dwi, etc.
These present the real cause of accidents. These should be the only drivers people are weary of.

To conclude, every person that states _____ is a privelage, is another brick in the wall that allows the slow erosion of our free state. What's next? Walking down the stree is a privelage? It's rather arbitrary because until you are directly affected everything is a privelage.
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Old 06-23-2019, 01:48 PM
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peterrabbit, i know the feeling of getting taken for a ride i bought a 2004 ford ranger new from the dealership. after putting about 15,000 mile on it in 2 years (I'm from Maryland and we didn't have inspections in the PGC) i took it to ford for a recall on the trans fluid i had them check the brakes because they seemed weird they said everything was fine a day later sitting in traffic my peddle went to the floor and i rear ended a car in front of me I limped the truck back home because i didn't want to leave it on Indian head highway since a tow truck could not get their for 12 hours. i found the front pads and rotors were metal to metal and a seal in the rear brakes let loose. i took that as a sign to start doing all my own work my first brake job cost me about 8 hours since i didn't know what i was doing but got it done since then i spend about 10 minutes a wheel. I bought a car 3 years ago that the original owner disclosed a small hole in the front passenger side floor but will get through inspection here in PA yeah after the tech was done poking at that said small hole about a 12" by 12" hole was there the original owner also said they hit a deer but the front of the car looked fine nope i'm missing a lot of structure on the front of my car the radiator support was bent cracked the lower motor mount wasn't even connected to the car just the engine. got most of that fixed still failed they found that the pass side of the truck was missing the inner wall, rusted away. so for $800 i got a parts car and i cannot afford to get a descent car which around here is 5k plus not to mention im out about $600 in parts i bought and installed. im still driving it un-inspected until i can get a better car runs great but body rust is preventing me from getting legal its insured registration is good and it will pass emissions hopefully this year again. i just need something to get to and from work 7 miles round trip since where i live their is no shoulder or sidewalks just road which people blast through at about 100mph daily. ill take an unsafe car over walking
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