Philadelphia's black population grows while Pittsburgh's black population shrinks (Economy: best city, lawyers)

[Pine to Vine]

Originally Posted by Pauledward

I spent many years living in Philadelphia and for the most part enjoyed the experience! Unfortunately, the city has become largely black and uneducated and the city's image has
taken a dive as a result! I got tired of walking in center city at night and having to be careful
not to get mugged by all the young black hoodlums all around! I lived in South Philly and it was
damn depressing to hear all that loud ghetto music and trash talk coming from these people at all
hours of the day and nite! I finally moved to Doylestown and am much happier! Because its very
expensive to live in Doylestown, I'm sure that will be a major deterrent from inner city blacks from moving in anytime soon! We can only hope that will be the case!

Sounds like a win/win to me. You're happy in Doylestown and Center City's enlightenment quotient took a jump up with your departure.

[stburr91]

The number of blacks may have slightly decreased in Pittsburgh (I kind of doubt that). If it is true, it's because several of the areas that the blacks lived in have declined, and the areas were redeveloped. The people were displaced to areas just outside of Pittsburgh. I think if you look at the population numbers in Allegheny County (the county that Pittsburgh is in) l bet you'll see a fair increase in the black population.

[mancat100]

Originally Posted by Pauledward

I spent many years living in Philadelphia and for the most part enjoyed the experience! Unfortunately, the city has become largely black and uneducated and the city's image has
taken a dive as a result! I got tired of walking in center city at night and having to be careful
not to get mugged by all the young black hoodlums all around! I lived in South Philly and it was
damn depressing to hear all that loud ghetto music and trash talk coming from these people at all
hours of the day and nite! I finally moved to Doylestown and am much happier! Because its very
expensive to live in Doylestown, I'm sure that will be a major deterrent from inner city blacks from moving in anytime soon! We can only hope that will be the case!

You must have lived in Center City in the bizarro universe. Other than Market East and the gayborhood area I can't think of where you'd be talking about.

[Steelers10]

This is looking at Allegheny County from the perspective of the 2000 census:

2000 Census information about southwestern Pennsylvania - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

IDK but it seems that a black population decline figure of less than 2000 people could easily be accounted for by birth rates declining and just more elderly people from the Hill district dying and a few young blacks moving away. Also, Philadelphia has been seeing an influx of black immigrants over the past couple of decades as well as some African immigrants. African immigrants have the highest level of educational attainment of any group in the U.S. and many West Indian communities exhibit "model minority" characteristics so I don't know where the thug comments come in.

From what I am seeing in the census and prior estimates from 2008, the black household size is shrinking. I think outside of growth from black immigrants from developing countries (and their higher fertility rates), the native-born black population really isn't growing that much much in the same vein as native-born whites. Being that Pittsburgh really isn't much of an immigrant magnet anymore, it's not really surprising that the black population would actually decline slightly in concert with overall slight declines in black household size.

[Boompa]

Philadelphia's population grew, so the fact that the black population grew shouldn't be surprising

[bryson662001]

Originally Posted by Pauledward

I got tired of walking in center city at night and having to be careful
not to get mugged by all the young black hoodlums all around! I lived in South Philly and it was
damn depressing to hear all that loud ghetto music and trash talk coming from these people at all
hours of the day and nite!

I have lived in the Rittenhouse area for 20 years and you are so right. As our former mayor put it so accurately when he thought he was only among his "brothers"....."The brothers are running this city".

Originally Posted by pman

no doubt, the number of educated people has actually increased since the last census. nothing against doylestown, which is nice, but it would be nice if people spread accurate information.

and that is because Philadelphia schools are getting better? LOL

[Blackbeauty212]

Originally Posted by stburr91

The number of blacks may have slightly decreased in Pittsburgh (I kind of doubt that). If it is true, it's because several of the areas that the blacks lived in have declined, and the areas were redeveloped. The people were displaced to areas just outside of Pittsburgh. I think if you look at the population numbers in Allegheny County (the county that Pittsburgh is in) l bet you'll see a fair increase in the black population.

Looks like you're right on the nose with that....It's blacks moving outside the city poper into the suburbs...makes sense as whites are moving back into the city..

Blacks increase numbers in Western Pennsylvania - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

[Blackbeauty212]

Originally Posted by Steelers10

This is looking at Allegheny County from the perspective of the 2000 census:

2000 Census information about southwestern Pennsylvania - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

IDK but it seems that a black population decline figure of less than 2000 people could easily be accounted for by birth rates declining and just more elderly people from the Hill district dying and a few young blacks moving away. Also, Philadelphia has been seeing an influx of black immigrants over the past couple of decades as well as some African immigrants. African immigrants have the highest level of educational attainment of any group in the U.S. and many West Indian communities exhibit "model minority" characteristics so I don't know where the thug comments come in.

From what I am seeing in the census and prior estimates from 2008, the black household size is shrinking. I think outside of growth from black immigrants from developing countries (and their higher fertility rates), the native-born black population really isn't growing that much much in the same vein as native-born whites. Being that Pittsburgh really isn't much of an immigrant magnet anymore, it's not really surprising that the black population would actually decline slightly in concert with overall slight declines in black household size.

Or could it be Philadelphia is taking in what NYC is pushing out.....NYC is a very hard place for the Middle and Lower class and lets face it the majority of NYC lower class are of Latinos and Blacks, the main population that Philadelphia is picking up...

Its really not hard to figure this out.

[pman]

Originally Posted by Blackbeauty212

Looks like you're right on the nose with that....It's blacks moving outside the city poper into the suburbs...makes sense as whites are moving back into the city..

Blacks increase numbers in Western Pennsylvania - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

fwiw if philly were sliced in half to make it a similar size in sq miles to pittsburgh it too would have list black population. the core neighborhoods added whites, asians, and latinos while losing blacks....which means blacks must have mlved to formerly white semisuburban areas. suburbs defibitely saw an increase in blacks in the philly area. philly lost a lot of whites...wouldnt be surprised to find many moved to nyc among other places.

[Blackbeauty212]

^^^^^ Right and if Pittsburgh proper took in all of the inner surrounding (City Neighborhood feeling) suburbs, black population probably would've held steady..