Stop Voter ID law from happening in PA (Republic, Penn: 2013, crime)

[mancat100]

Originally Posted by thecoalman

How are they being prevented from voting? You have six months to get it and even a 6 day period after the election if you still don't have one at that time. I'm assuming the state issued ID has a 4 year expiration, if you lived until you're 78 that's 15 times in your life you'll have to take the time to get one. It's hardly a burden, once you have it what's it take about 5 minutes to fill out renewal application?

The fact that the big push for this is happening now and coming from GOP politicians tells me they believe it too, and are counting on it.

[thecoalman]

Originally Posted by mancat100

The fact that the big push for this is happening now......

The big push for this now is because they have the votes to do it. This legislation isn't possible prior to the 2010 elections.

[mancat100]

Originally Posted by thecoalman

The big push for this now is because they have the votes to do it. This legislation isn't possible prior to the 2010 elections.

Bottom line. It may indeed be a good idea, but if the GOP didn't see a political benefit it wouldn't be happening. This is not an exercise in statesmanship.

Also, the democrats aren't being exactly pure of heart by opposing it. They know it will hurt them so they oppose it. Nobodys hands are clean here.

[couldntthinkofaclevername]

Originally Posted by RyanR

You're ****ting me, right?

Nothing like saying let's mess with the LEGAL process by letting THOSE NOT ALLOWED TO VOTE have their say in our process. It has nothing to do with Black, Hispanic or old people. Just show that you're legally allowed to vote. That's all that is asked.

Somewhere around 50% of those in this Country take some sort of money from the government. It's an incredibly high number. If they can vote in their own perks, when does it stop? Those that pay will either draw a line or stop making money. When that happens, get ready... There will be a collapse and riots in the street.

Here's the funny thing... if you come from a nice neighborhood full of wealthy people, especially people of old-money, then you got just as much assistance as they did. You also probably got it by people screwing over the disadvantaged to make their money.

If that's the case, then you're not a self-made person.

Wealthy people don't nearly intimidate people as much as they like to think they do. If suburbanites ever tried to get physical with the urban people, well it wouldn't be even remotely pretty and they'd find out real quick just how powerful and intimidating they really are... or aren't as the case may be.

Originally Posted by Duderino

Regardless of cost of ID, or lack thereof, no one has really answered the question of why this law was NEEDED. Voter fraud is essentially non-existent and this will cost money to implement -- in the millions.

I thought Republicans wanted to curb government spending:

http://www.paaflcio.org/Talking%20Po...HB%20934-1.pdf

It's a "solution" that's looking for a problem -- plain and simple. It boggles my mind why more people aren't frustrated by the lack of attention to critical issues. Is everyone that jaded?

More like that sheltered. There's a clear divide in this state between the haves and have-nots, between the urban areas and the suburbs and rural areas and small towns.

Originally Posted by fisheye

What is silly to me is that so many object to this legislation. I don’t think it went far enough. The original legislation was watered down. I agree with thecoalman: “I don't care if there is one person in this state voting illegally, I'm not willing to give up my vote to them.” Why should I even take the time to vote - if the system is not fair? Without requiring ID; how do we know how many are cheating?

I am a registered Independent. I was a Democrat for most of my life. I don’t care what party you represent - this legislation is long overdue. I am just glad that somebody is trying to do the right thing.

by using taxdollars to implement a completely unnecessary initiative.

Yeah.. they're just great leaders really, not hypocritial at all

[greg42]

Enjoy

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[2nd trick op]

Originally Posted by PeterRabbit

Everyone should be required to have a national ID. If you aren't breaking the law you'd have no objections.

How about a quickly-recognizable stigma for convicted felons, child-support delinquents, and the like, instead. It's not the responsible many, but the irresponsible few, who cause the problems.

And we have every right to keep them in their place until they wise up and pay their dues.

[Velvet Jones]

Originally Posted by pman

it does annoy me that they're spending time and money addressing something that's not a problem in PA while transportation, school choice reform, etc go unresolved.

Not a problem? Tell that to Philly. Did they have 109% turn out at some precincts last year? Wow, that must be some sort of miracle.

[fisheye]

No matter where we go today; we are asked for identification. Doctor’s offices, banks, department stores can ask us to prove our identities. So; what is the big deal with requiring ID to vote?

I think that it should even be easier for our poll workers to use our picture ID’s - they would not have to struggle with our pronunciation or our handwriting.

I just don’t understand why so many are upset that some people want a level playing field at the polls? The only obvious reason is that one side feels that they have an advantage with the status quo.

We send observers all over the world to report on the deficiencies of elections in other countries. We are quick to point out that many elections are not fair. This new law should be embraced - if we want to be the shinning example of fairness and openness.

Instead of complaining about alienating some voters; people should help those, that do not have the new picture ID’s, to get the documentation.

[bnepler]

All voting should be held in a state or federal building where you need ID to enter. And maybe throw in a couple of TSA people to intimidate everyone by patting them down. I don't have a problem with that? Do you?

[bnepler]

"Democratic leaders have proposed requiring every worker in the nation to carry a national identification card with biometric information, such as a fingerprint, within the next six years, according to a draft of the measure."
Maybe Ted Kennedy was right lefties!