Paterno Statue Will Remain Standing. (Pittsburgh, Penn: house, live, beach)

[maf763]

Originally Posted by Magritte25

No, I'm saying it's hypocritical to call for the removal of a statue, yet allow a library, that was almost completely funded by Paterno, to continue to stand.

Again, I'm not talking about tearing down the library. How can you compare a university library with a statue of somebody who has been shown to have done something awful?

[pcity]

The only Paterno-related change I supported was the erasing of the halo in the mural in town (which has now been done). I supported that because the halo never belonged there in the first place- JoePa was not an angel, he was just a man. A man who did a lot of great things over the years for Penn State, but a man with faults like any other man.

The calls to tear down the statue and rename the library are ridiculous. Even the most ardent PSU supporter recognizes that Paterno had terrible judgment when dealing with Sandusky. As Paterno admitted, he should have taken this issue more seriously and he should have done more. That doesn't erase the fact that he was a great football coach and a great leader who focused his team on the right things (PSU has the highest graduation rate out of all major football programs), and gave so much back to a university he truly loved. By the same notion, taking down Paterno's statue isn't going to erase years of child rape by Sandusky.

Our heroes are never perfect. America's founding fathers bought and traded ACTUAL PEOPLE but you don't see anyone calling to remove statues of Washington or Jefferson. We admire their achievements, but recognize their faults. Why can't we do the same with JoePa?

Penn State has a statue of a man who achieved great things, but kept terrible secrets that ruined lives. Penn State has a statue of a man who deserved praise for the way he ran his football program, a man who deserved praise for the way he pushed his team to achieve academically and on the field, but a man who never deserved the hero worship we poured upon him. Let's keep that statue up as a reminder of his accomplishments, but let's also remember his faults. That, I think, is the best way to handle the Paterno legacy.

[safak]

all feelings pro or anti psu aside..

do you really want every single televised game for psu in the future to begin with a pan of the statue, and a recap of the most horrific scandal in the history of american sports?

[Mr Yuk]

Originally Posted by safak

all feelings pro or anti psu aside..

do you really want every single televised game for psu in the future to begin with a pan of the statue, and a recap of the most horrific scandal in the history of american sports?

That's going to happen regardless. I foresee a lot of heckling of Penn State at road games too. If I was a PSU football player, I'd be looking to transfer ASAP.

[livecontent]

Originally Posted by pcity

The only Paterno-related change I supported was the erasing of the halo in the mural in town (which has now been done). I supported that because the halo never belonged there in the first place- JoePa was not an angel, he was just a man. A man who did a lot of great things over the years for Penn State, but a man with faults like any other man.

The calls to tear down the statue and rename the library are ridiculous. Even the most ardent PSU supporter recognizes that Paterno had terrible judgment when dealing with Sandusky. As Paterno admitted, he should have taken this issue more seriously and he should have done more. That doesn't erase the fact that he was a great football coach and a great leader who focused his team on the right things (PSU has the highest graduation rate out of all major football programs), and gave so much back to a university he truly loved. By the same notion, taking down Paterno's statue isn't going to erase years of child rape by Sandusky.

Our heroes are never perfect. America's founding fathers bought and traded ACTUAL PEOPLE but you don't see anyone calling to remove statues of Washington or Jefferson. We admire their achievements, but recognize their faults. Why can't we do the same with JoePa?

Penn State has a statue of a man who achieved great things, but kept terrible secrets that ruined lives. Penn State has a statue of a man who deserved praise for the way he ran his football program, a man who deserved praise for the way he pushed his team to achieve academically and on the field, but a man who never deserved the hero worship we poured upon him. Let's keep that statue up as a reminder of his accomplishments, but let's also remember his faults. That, I think, is the best way to handle the Paterno legacy.

Your are still attempting to use same statement from Paterno, that "he should have done more..," .He was continuing the lie and coverup at that time. He did do much more and took it very seriously--he was actively involved with a criminal conspiracy of a coverup of sexual crimes over a period of years. He admitted nothing. He lied to the Grand Jury about not knowing anything about a previous event which has been made very clear that he did know which the report showed.

This slime Paterno wanted everyone to believe that he just passed on the information to his superiors and that is all he did. Bull! He was actively involved in covering up a crime. That is the smoking gun that will put a bullet in the legacy of Joseph Vincent "Scum" Paterno.

[frankgn87]

Originally Posted by ScoPro

Most of us certainly do, and are not blinded by the twisted mentality of the JoePa cult worshippers.

Too bad he croaked after lying to the investigators, otherwise he would've been indicted with his fellow scumbag conspirators.

The PSU family needs to have a mass self introspection and cleanse itself of this terribly stained legacy, much like the Germans did after WWII.

Anybody in a position of power in that school, whether administration, faculty, or student body - and the alumni - who is still in denial about what that cultish behavior has wrought with this scandal, the worst in American sports history, should be required to take a course in ethics and morality.

Any of you who deny that still....well, you have chosen poorly.

you know very little about this actually. All you know is what you read in the paper so it seems..

[ScoPro]

Originally Posted by frankgn87

you know very little about this actually. All you know is what you read in the paper so it seems..

Try reading the report and the post above yours.

[Magritte25]

Originally Posted by ScoPro

Try reading the report and the post above yours.

I did today. Which is why I am even MORE firm in my beliefs that the Freeh investigation was highly flawed. Did you read the whole thing or just the parts highlighted in green?

[Katarina Witt]

^^Kill the messenger! Kill the messenger!

[frankgn87]

Originally Posted by ScoPro

Try reading the report and the post above yours.

Like I said, you only know whats been told to you... Do you have any actual experience with the people involved? You know, the ones you are making strong statements about?