NCAA fine and public education (Penn: crimes, high schools, college)

[ScoPro]

It would be a shame if the university took the money away from the academic/scholarship side of the institution.

IMO it should come from the football program and the Paterno supporters.

But at least the NCAA left it up to PSU.

Y'all should start by cancelling the last minute negotiated golden parachute contract JoePa insisted on when he saw this all coming out.

That's just the opinion from an outsider who is only concerned with maintaining the values of doing what is right.

[thecoalman]

Originally Posted by ScoPro

It would be a shame if the university took the money away from the academic/scholarship side of the institution.

IMO it should come from the football program and the Paterno supporters.

You're missing the point, it's the football program that provided a lot scholarships and other benefits. As I said above, ultimately the football program will pay for this but at the expense of students who benefited from that football revenue.

Y'all should start by cancelling the last minute negotiated golden parachute contract JoePa insisted on when he saw this all coming out.

It was not a last minute negotiation.

[Evergrey]

Originally Posted by thecoalman

It was not a last minute negotiation.

Yes, it was.

[safak]

Originally Posted by pcity

LOL.

PSU is always, always ranked above Pitt in academics.

if by 'ranked above' you mean 'easier to get accepted' then you are correct. penn state does have lower admission standards. .

[ScoPro]

Originally Posted by thecoalman

You're missing the point, it's the football program that provided a lot scholarships and other benefits. As I said above, ultimately the football program will pay for this but at the expense of students who benefited from that football revenue.




It was not a last minute negotiation.

Then your donors need to step it up.

[pcity]

Originally Posted by safak

if by 'ranked above' you mean 'easier to get accepted' then you are correct. penn state does have lower admission standards. .

Penn State has many more slots available (tons of branch campuses), yes, but still ranks above Pitt in the US News rankings and has at least since I applied to college.

[Evergrey]

For the most part, Pitt and Penn State are fairly equivalent and both rank amongst the Top 20 public universities nationally. They each have their particular strengths and exist in dramatically different environments (extremely urban neighborhood versus cow pasture). Pitt is a large school... but much smaller than gigantic Penn State. However, Pitt has more selective admissions and a larger endowment. Pitt blows away Penn State when it comes to law and med school. Penn State, being the only game in town, engenders a pervasive cultural dominance while Pitt is just another element to a major metropolitan area.

[bradjl2009]

Originally Posted by Evergrey

For the most part, Pitt and Penn State are fairly equivalent and both rank amongst the Top 20 public universities nationally. They each have their particular strengths and exist in dramatically different environments (extremely urban neighborhood versus cow pasture). Pitt is a large school... but much smaller than gigantic Penn State. However, Pitt has more selective admissions and a larger endowment. Pitt blows away Penn State when it comes to law and med school. Penn State, being the only game in town, engenders a pervasive cultural dominance while Pitt is just another element to a major metropolitan area.

Well put. Besides people who go/went to Pitt or if their teams are playing well, 90% of Pittsburgh's population doesn't give the school much thought. It's the complete opposite up in State College.

[safak]

Originally Posted by pcity

Penn State has many more slots available (tons of branch campuses), yes, but still ranks above Pitt in the US News rankings and has at least since I applied to college.

there are many rankings, and they are pretty close in them all so no knock on the academics of psu.

the ones that are strictly academic based, or research based always have pitt ahead.
the ones that factor in 'campus life', 'happy students', and how the students rate the teacher,(i know weird, but US news uses those) have psu slightly ahead. of course that one also uses financial resources, and percentage of alumni who donate.. so we can expect PSU to drop a few spots being they are out 100+ million dollars over the next few years,




--these numbers aren't from the 'tons of branch campuses, they are from only main campus. if you want me to go factoring in all the penn state-mckeesport's (oh, excuse me..greater allegheny's) then the gap just gets bigger.

2011

SAT CR+M (Middle 50%)
Pitt 1170-1370
PSU 1090-1300

Avg. high school GPA
Pitt 3.91
PSU 3.55

Top 10% of High School class
Pitt 51%
PSU 49%

[toobusytoday]

Originally Posted by squarian

I don't understand enough about the financing of sports at public (or state-related) universities in PA to know the answer to these questions:

If, as is being reported, the NCAA fines Penn State $30 (or $60?) million, where does that money come from? Are the sports programs at PSU organized as a department of the College of Arts and Sciences, or is it a separate "College of Athletics", and if so do they have sufficient funds to cover that tab on their own? Or will the sum be paid by taking money from the university's general funds - that is, directly at the cost of the primary function of the university, which I take it is still undergraduate and graduate education, rather than playing football, even at PSU?

Naturally, I say "directly", because there is clearly going to be an indirect cost to the university's primary purpose no matter where the money comes from, in which case PSU becomes Exhibit A in the case against athletic programs benefiting higher education.

Let's get back to the OP please. Pitt vs. PSU is a topic for another thread.