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Old 11-29-2016, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Marshall-Shadeland, Pittsburgh, PA
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Pretty much everything posted here is false.
Agreed. We're of those sought-after upwardly-mobile "progressive" Millennial couples who live in Downtown Pittsburgh, and we LOVE Erie. If it wasn't so far from my partner's family in Lancaster County I'd look into getting a sales, accounting, or finance position with Erie Insurance and would move there in a heartbeat. It's such a lovely city with so much to offer and has a phenomenal location to day-trip to Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Buffalo/Niagara Falls, and even Toronto (which would probably be more of an overnighter, but still...) I hate it when I see people on here slam Erie.

As far as Altoona is concerned it is an "aging in place" sort of city. Its population and economy are stable---neither are likely to boom nor bust anytime soon. I think the city's valley setting at the base of some beautiful mountains is truly amazing. There's minor-league baseball, a branch campus of Penn State, and most major national retailers and restaurants have a presence nearby in Logan Township. Altoona has an opioid abuse problem, but what city doesn't these days?
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Old 11-30-2016, 01:34 AM
 
Location: Kittanning
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There's a good "vibe" around the area. Yes, it has that worn around the edges feel to it, like most places in Pa this size, but it doesn't seem to have that "we've fallen down and we'll be damned if we're going to try and get up" attitude, like Uniontown in Fayette County.
I don't agree with this assessment at all. Perhaps if you were talking about New Castle or McKeesport falling and not getting up, I would understand, but Uniontown? Explore for yourself on Google Maps streetview, and see how intact and appealing their downtown is. Try to find an abandoned building. Then go to Altoona and do the same thing. I have been to both cities, and while Altoona is bigger, Uniontown has a more vibrant and intact urban core. Which is really something for a city of less than 10,000 to have! I've noticed a huge gap between perceptions of Uniontown and the reality, kind of like the way Pittsburgh used to be dismissed by the locals but appreciated by visitors. Maybe more of you need to visit.
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Old 11-30-2016, 09:34 AM
 
Location: The Flagship City and Vacation in the Paris of Appalachia
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Agreed. We're of those sought-after upwardly-mobile "progressive" Millennial couples who live in Downtown Pittsburgh, and we LOVE Erie. If it wasn't so far from my partner's family in Lancaster County I'd look into getting a sales, accounting, or finance position with Erie Insurance and would move there in a heartbeat. It's such a lovely city with so much to offer and has a phenomenal location to day-trip to Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Buffalo/Niagara Falls, and even Toronto (which would probably be more of an overnighter, but still...) I hate it when I see people on here slam Erie.

As far as Altoona is concerned it is an "aging in place" sort of city. Its population and economy are stable---neither are likely to boom nor bust anytime soon. I think the city's valley setting at the base of some beautiful mountains is truly amazing. There's minor-league baseball, a branch campus of Penn State, and most major national retailers and restaurants have a presence nearby in Logan Township. Altoona has an opioid abuse problem, but what city doesn't these days?
SCR

Your love for Erie is awesome and I hate all of the negativity some posters have about the Erie area. It is no secret that the economy is not great in Erie, but things have slowly been getting better and as posted by Jfug in the Erie development thread, there are many new additions to the city currently under construction.
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Old 11-30-2016, 09:55 AM
 
Location: The Flagship City and Vacation in the Paris of Appalachia
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Most of my friends have left Erie and I stopped considering the city for relocation. Every comment I posted is based on fact.

Erie's population sinks to lowest in nearly a century - News - GoErie.com - Erie, PA
Beleaguered Erie hit with another round of job cuts - Watchdog.org
Erie School District on the brink of disaster - Watchdog.org
Syracuse, a snowfall slacker this year, still climbs to No. 1 in US | syracuse.com
Current Top 25 Snowiest US Cities | Golden Snow Globe National Snow Contest Snowiest US City Pop 100,000+
Congratulations Erie, Pa Snowiest Big City 2013 – 2014 | Golden Snow Globe National Snow Contest Snowiest US City Pop 100,000+
Neighbors React to Murder of Teen, Massive Shooting in Erie - Erie News Now: News, Weather & Sports | WICU 12 & WSEE
Erie police continue probe into weekend shootings - News - GoErie.com - Erie, PA

I would choose to retire to the Altoona area in a heartbeat over Erie.
Considering you just posted several links to Blogs, newspaper articles, and television news stories as your "facts" I am not sure if it is possible to engage in intelligent discourse with you. With that being said, I have read and am familiar with the BLS, FBI, and U.S. Census data related to the city of Erie and Erie County. If you would like to read this data and other sources that accurately interpret this data I would be happy to have a discussion with you. Here is a link from the Jefferson Educational Society to get you started and this essay demonstrates with data from the FBI and local police that Erie is safer than most other similar size cities. https://www.jeserie.org/uploads/The%...mendations.pdf
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Old 11-30-2016, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Considering you just posted several links to Blogs, newspaper articles, and television news stories as your "facts" I am not sure if it is possible to engage in intelligent discourse with you. With that being said, I have read and am familiar with the BLS, FBI, and U.S. Census data related to the city of Erie and Erie County. If you would like to read this data and other sources that accurately interpret this data I would be happy to have a discussion with you. Here is a link from the Jefferson Educational Society to get you started and this essay demonstrates with data from the FBI and local police that Erie is safer than most other similar size cities. https://www.jeserie.org/uploads/The%...mendations.pdf
Yes, I used the local Erie news links, some stories from this year. You are using data from 2014. The OP can judge for herself and google on her own.
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Old 11-30-2016, 12:25 PM
 
Location: The Flagship City and Vacation in the Paris of Appalachia
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Yes, I used the local Erie news links, some stories from this year. You are using data from 2014. The OP can judge for herself and google on her own.
Well I thought you might be a troll and now it is confirmed. You post complete nonsense about most of western Pennsylvania and this includes Erie, Pittsburgh and many other areas. You are now blocked and good luck with your "facts" and generalizations about entire areas without data. The truth is that the number of violent crimes in Erie in 2014 was 410 and in 2015 the number was 430, which represents roughly a 5% increase from 2014 to 2015. All of the preliminary numbers for 2016 show a huge decrease in violent crime in Erie and homicides are also down from 2015. It is ridiculous for someone to post that "crime is on the rise" in Erie when this is simply not true.
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Old 12-02-2016, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Southwest Pa
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I don't agree with this assessment at all. Perhaps if you were talking about New Castle or McKeesport falling and not getting up, I would understand, but Uniontown? Explore for yourself on Google Maps streetview, and see how intact and appealing their downtown is.
I stand by my opinion in the strongest terms. I've been associated with the town, the county, my entire life. My family has lived within seven miles, any direction, of the town since the 1920's. No need for Google, I know the streets by heart. I'd say that makes me something of an expert of the place.
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Old 12-03-2016, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Traveling
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By the time I'm ready to travel I should have plenty of information on where I would like to be.
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Old 12-03-2016, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Kittanning
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I stand by my opinion in the strongest terms. I've been associated with the town, the county, my entire life. My family has lived within seven miles, any direction, of the town since the 1920's. No need for Google, I know the streets by heart. I'd say that makes me something of an expert of the place.
So, how would you say Altoona differs from Uniontown, aside from being a larger city? Because I honestly can't see a difference, aside from Uniontown having a more vital downtown. I'm sure Altoona has a bigger suburban shopping presence, befitting its larger population. Neither city has anything like what I would call a dangerous neighborhood. Both have pockets of depressed housing, and both cities could use a shot in the arm. I don't know that I have heard anything about Altoona being on the forefront of historic preservation, urban planning, urban revitalization, etc. I think all of that is pretty stagnant or even backwards. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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