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Old 10-20-2017, 02:14 PM
 
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Actually, you are doing more than boosting. You are denigrating Philly at pretty much every turn. That’s the difference.
LMAO!!!!! Of course a Philly homer would think that a Pittsburgh homer was doing more of the boosting and degrading of Philly... You really think I didn't see that slight coming. LOL

Sorry Philly boosters, as long as it continues from ROW, I will be here doing the same... It's been shown here Philadelphia homers are more ignorant and non-factual of present day Pittsburgh than Pittsburgh is of Philly.
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Old 10-20-2017, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Mid-Atlantic
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Most major American downtowns are primarily central business districts, without much life or activity outside of normal working hours. Philadelphia is a rare exception to this rule, but even then, the heart of the CBD portion of Center City is pretty quiet after 7pm. Market, JFK, and Arch don’t have much else to offer between City Hall and the Schuylkill.

Pittsburgh’s Downtown continues to come along nicely. When I was last there a few weeks back, I thought, for the first time, “I could live here.”
My nephew loves Pittsburgh. When he went to IUP, he and his friends would road trip to a Steelers game once in a while. He went to grad school there. He's told me that he wouldn't mind retiring there.

I don't get this Philadelphia vs Pittsburgh thing. They're both nice cities.
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Old 10-20-2017, 02:39 PM
 
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My nephew loves Pittsburgh. When he went to IUP, he and his friends would road trip to a Steelers game once in a while. He went to grad school there. He's told me that he wouldn't mind retiring there.

I don't get this Philadelphia vs Pittsburgh thing. They're both nice cities.
Co-signed! And to be clear, when I said “I could live here,” I was referring to Downtown specifically. I fell in love with the East End on sight, a little over ten years ago, when I started at Pitt.
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Old 10-20-2017, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Downtown Pittsburgh Parks and Parklets and Plaza's
Market Square is still my favorite!

Here are Center City's:

Rittenhouse Square:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9488...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9490...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9494...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9498...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9499...7i13312!8i6656

Logan Square/Circle:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9574...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9576...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9580...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9587...!7i5376!8i2688
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9580...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9576...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9590...!7i5376!8i2688

Washington Square:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9475...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9470...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9464...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9466...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9475...7i13312!8i6656

Franklin Square
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9552...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9547...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9553...7i13312!8i6656

Independence National Historic Park:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9478...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9481...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9479...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9474...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9480...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9490...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9480...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9494...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9517...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9505...7i13312!8i6656

Dilworth Plaza:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9525...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9531...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9528...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9520...7i13312!8i6656

Fitler Square:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9474...7i13312!8i6656

Schuylkill River Park:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9491...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9484...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9484...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9481...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9477...7i13312!8i6656

Schuylkill River Banks Trail:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9487...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9506...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9521...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9538...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9573...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9619...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9625...7i13312!8i6656

Benjamin Franklin Parkway:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9598...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9603...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9611...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9620...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9625...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9635...!7i8704!8i4352
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9645...7i13312!8i6656

Thomas Paine Plaza:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9537...!7i4420!8i1735

Love Park (Being renovated):
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9537...7i13312!8i6656

Cret Park:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9550...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9552...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9558...7i13312!8i6656

Matthias Baldwin Park:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9616...7i13312!8i6656

United Way Plaza:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9566...7i13312!8i6656

Three Logan Square Plaza:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9560...7i13312!8i6656

Comcast Center Plaza:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9541...7i13312!8i6656

United Plaza:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9520...7i13312!8i6656

Commerce Square Plaza:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9537...7i13312!8i6656

Market Street Memorial Plaza (Coming Soon):
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9536...7i13312!8i6656

Mutter Museum Park
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9529...!7i5376!8i2688

John F Collins Park:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9517...7i13312!8i6656

Coxe Park:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9569...7i13312!8i6656

Community College of Philadelphia Greenspace:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9622...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9623...7i13312!8i6656

Reading Viaduct Park (currently being converted to a park):
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9601...7i13312!8i6656

I-676 Old City Parks:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9565...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9556...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9566...7i13312!8i6656

Old City 4th Street Plazas:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9510...7i13312!8i6656

Christ Church Park:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9504...7i13312!8i6656

Race Street Pier:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9532...7i13312!8i6656

Plaza at Penn's Landing:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9468...7i10240!8i5120

I-95 Park:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9477...!7i8704!8i4352

City Tavern Park:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9472...7i13312!8i6656

Society Hill Tower's Park:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9451...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9462...7i13312!8i6656

Korean War Memorial Park:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9448...7i13312!8i6656

Spruce Street Harbor Park:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9446...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9439...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9442...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9446...7i13312!8i6656

Vietnam War Memorial Park:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9438...!7i8704!8i4352

Society Hill I-95 Green Space:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9424...7i13312!8i6656

Headhouse Square:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9421...7i13312!8i6656

Franklin Court:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9495...7i13312!8i6656

Welcome Park/Plaza:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9474...7i13312!8i6656

Three Bears Park:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9439...7i13312!8i6656

St Peter's Park:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9426...7i13312!8i6656

Presbyterian Park:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9426...7i13312!8i6656

St. Peter's Way:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9439...7i13312!8i6656

Lawrence Court Walk:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9440...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9450...7i13312!8i6656

The Magnolia Garden:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9460...7i13312!8i6656

Rose Garden:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9464...7i13312!8i6656

Starr Garden and Playground:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9430...7i13312!8i6656

Philadelphia History Museum Park:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9498...7i13312!8i6656

Perth and Addison Park:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9436...7i13312!8i6656

Pennsylvania Hospital Green Space:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9444...7i13312!8i6656

Seger Park:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9439...7i13312!8i6656

Lubert Plaza:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9474...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9486...7i13312!8i6656

Louis I Kahn Park:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9449...7i13312!8i6656

Independence Charter Playground:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9452...7i13312!8i6656

St. Mark's Church Greenspace:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9487...7i13312!8i6656
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Old 10-20-2017, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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LMAO!!!!! Of course a Philly homer would think that a Pittsburgh homer was doing more of the boosting and degrading of Philly... You really think I didn't see that slight coming. LOL
Except that... he's from Houston?
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Old 10-20-2017, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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My downing is a result direct result of ROW and others OVERZEALOUS PHILADELPHIA BOOSTING..... When one stops the other will follow .... otherwise someone has to keep you guys honest with all this Philadelphia Boosting that goes in this thread.

I don't even mind that he boosts Philadelphia Non-Stop, like a desperate insecure sycophant. It's that he constantly must tear down Pittsburgh to make Philly seem like that much more of city... And he will even go as far as flat out lying, like I proved above about segregation vs diversity.
I need to remind you and everyone else participating in this discussion that I am a native, which means forever, Kansas Citian.

And Kansas City is to St. Louis as Pittsburgh is to Philadelphia, more or less. The population gap between the two metropolitan areas is smaller, and thanks to two geographic facts - Kansas City following the "western" model of annexing many of its future suburbs (it couldn't annex them all because half of them lie across the state line in Kansas) while St. Louis divorced itself from its future suburbs in 1871, and the resulting dramatic fall in St. Louis' population (St. Louis and Pittsburgh had approximately equal populations in 1950, and both cities have lost about half their peak population, while Philadelphia's down by only 25 percent and Kansas City is now within about 10,000 to 20,000 of its 1970 peak of just over 500k) - Kansas City is now Missouri's largest city.

Yet Kansas Citians tend to carry chips on their shoulders about St. Louis. We've gotten over that by and large by ceasing to care overmuch what St. Louisans think; we've gotten comfortable in our own skin, to the point where a local T-shirt gallery sells shirts (I own one) that read, "I lived in Kansas City before it was cool."

Oddly enough, it's the Philadelphians in this state who share with Kansas City a municipal inferiority complex. On my very first passage across this state - a cross-state trip via US 30 in 1972 - I got a sense passing through Pittsburgh that Pittsburghers held their city in high regard. My first impression of Philadelphia, formed the year before on a trip that took me from New York to DC via Philly? "This city needs a bath desperately."

And I'm sure you know that the insecurity over here isn't helped by the fact that most of the rest of the Commonwealth tends to regard its largest city as a cesspool - and so did that city's own suburbs, prior to the 1980s. Prior to Ed Rendell, who won largely on the votes of Philly's collar counties, the last Philadelphian to win the governorship got elected in 1911. Missouri has done better by both its big cities over the same time period.

But as I said, Kansas City came out of its shell when it stopped worrying about St. Louis. Philadelphia is still emerging from its shell, and its biggest challenge is seeing itself as we transplants have come to see it. (And FWIW, I've written about this subject for a mass audience too.)

Frankly, what happens in Pittsburgh has nothing to do with that problem, and IMO the best thing you 'Burghers can do in the face of Philadelphians crowing about the place after putting it down for all these many years is simply not care what we think or say, and just go on about being the best Pittsburgh you can be. It would demonstrate your greater maturity.
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Old 10-20-2017, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Mid-Atlantic
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Co-signed! And to be clear, when I said “I could live here,” I was referring to Downtown specifically. I fell in love with the East End on sight, a little over ten years ago, when I started at Pitt.
I had to make him like Philly when he moved here looking for work. He didn't want to, but he finally gave up. He thought he could only find blue collar in small cities and towns...and Pittsburgh. Not true. Philly has plenty of gritty neighborhoods and corner bars.
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Old 10-20-2017, 07:47 PM
 
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I had to make him like Philly when he moved here looking for work. He didn't want to, but he finally gave up. He thought he could only find blue collar in small cities and towns...and Pittsburgh. Not true. Philly has plenty of gritty neighborhoods and corner bars.
Blue collar isn’t a stretch in Philly at all. Heck, even Greenwich, CT has a blue collar pocket or two.
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Old 10-20-2017, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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We must have different feelings of what bridges are, because it feels pretty much like walking over a bridge on Market, too. Felt like a bridge walking over the Legions Bridge in Prague as well. I looked down and I was crossing a body of water. Is it looking up at the steel structure that makes a difference in Pittsburgh? Either way, it feels pretty safe as a connector from one point to the next on the RC Bridge.
The difference is, the Schuylkill isn't as wide as the Monongahela. You don't need eyebar-chain suspension bridges to span it.

FTR, I think the trio of identical bridges of which the Roberto Clemente is one - which IIRC were designed in the mid-1920s with the guidance of Pittsburgh's equivalent of our old Municipal Art Commission - are some of the cutest suspension spans in the country. I say "cute" because they are diminuitive as suspension spans go. They'd look totally out of scale, however, crossing the Schuylkill.

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Maybe that's because Market Street Bridge was built in f**king 1805? And Walnut and South Street bridges were just redone the past couple of years.

I've walked over every single one of these bridges hundreds of times. Market Street bridge is still the most pedestrian friendly with the ornamental statues on railings, the planters, benches, etc.[...]
I don't care about the engineering logistics behind it... I care how it feels when walking across the bridge as a pedestrian on the sidewalk. Market Street is the best.
See my comment above for one possible reason why. The bridges over the Schuylkill are shorter.

And while there has been a bridge at that spot since 1805 or so, the bridge currently standing at that site dates to 1932 - it was built at the same time as 30th Street Station.

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I had to make him like Philly when he moved here looking for work. He didn't want to, but he finally gave up. He thought he could only find blue collar in small cities and towns...and Pittsburgh. Not true. Philly has plenty of gritty neighborhoods and corner bars.
"Him" who?

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Blue collar isn’t a stretch in Philly at all. Heck, even Greenwich, CT has a blue collar pocket or two.
Where?

I'd love to see them.
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Old 10-21-2017, 01:37 AM
 
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The difference is, the Schuylkill isn't as wide as the Monongahela. You don't need eyebar-chain suspension bridges to span it.

FTR, I think the trio of identical bridges of which the Roberto Clemente is one - which IIRC were designed in the mid-1920s with the guidance of Pittsburgh's equivalent of our old Municipal Art Commission - are some of the cutest suspension spans in the country. I say "cute" because they are diminuitive as suspension spans go. They'd look totally out of scale, however, crossing the Schuylkill.



See my comment above for one possible reason why. The bridges over the Schuylkill are shorter.

And while there has been a bridge at that spot since 1805 or so, the bridge currently standing at that site dates to 1932 - it was built at the same time as 30th Street Station.



"Him" who?



Where?

I'd love to see them.
My nephew. The one who went to IUP and Pitt.

What are we going to do? We'll figure it out as we go. Get on the train.
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