Philadelphia vs Pittsburgh (York, State College, Washington: calculating, Whole Foods, finance)

[RightonWalnut]

Originally Posted by Blackbeauty212

Oh, so you actually do read? Shocking, here I thought all you were good for was flinging insults while Philly boosting.

Nice job, deflecting the agrument with MSA numbers to counter CITY NUMBERS, proves nothing except more people would rather live outside of Philly rather than in it.

You do know that you can look this information up for yourself right...

The Philadelphia MSA has grown by 105,157 since 2010 to 2016.
The city of Philadelphia has grown by 41,866 since 2010 to 2016.
39% or over 1/3 of the population growth for the entire MSA the past 6 years have been in the city.

Keep in mind that both the Pittsburgh MSA and the city of Pittsburgh are losing population.

[wpipkins2]

Sustainable Pittsburgh.

Plan would festoon city's skyscrapers with trees, shrubs | Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

[Blackbeauty212]

Originally Posted by RightonWalnut

Why startup Folia left Pittsburgh for Philadelphia



http://www.bizjournals.com/philadelp...philly-hq.html

YAY! Philly was able to steal one



Meanwhile....

Corporate Investments in Pittsburgh Startups Hit 5-Year High

But this type of corporate investment — not necessarily to this scale — is part of growing trend in Pittsburgh.

Corporate investment in Pittsburgh-area startups hit a five-year high in 2016, topping out at $66.4 million, according to a report released Tuesday by Innovation Works and Ernst & Young.

Corporate Investments in Pittsburgh Startups Hit 5-Year High

The next Amazon Echo is being developed in this Pa. city

WTAE-TV reports that Amazon plans to create 100,000 jobs over the next 18 months, including 5,000 in Pennsylvania. The company also expects to create roughly a dozen more highly technical positions at the company's new office in Pittsburgh.

Pittsburgh is currently experiencing a tech boom, with companies like Amazon and Uber drawn here by the talent and technology being cultivated at local universities, including Carnegie Mellon, and the support and advocacy the mayor's office has extended to the industry.

The next Amazon Echo is being developed in this Pa. city | PennLive.com

Pittsburgh inching closer to fintech fame

Any city like Pittsburgh with large financial institutions can be a fintech hub, believes Jay Katarincic, managing director at Draper Triangle Ventures, a downtown-based venture capital firm that earlier this month invested in a fintech firm in Detroit.

“We have PNC with all their efforts and BNY Mellon with their Innovation Center downtown,” he said.

William Demchak, chairman, CEO and president of PNC Financial Services Group Inc., has often told financial analysts that acquiring financial technology through partnerships or outright acquisition is the way to go.

http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...e.html?ana=twt

[trackstar13]

In terms of population I would consider Philly and Chicago as peer cities. However, Chicago has significantly more land included within the city boundaries and is a Great Lakes City so there are many differences. It should also be noted that both the city of Chicago and the metro area for Chicago have significantly more area included than Philly so the population comparisons between Philly and Chicago are more similar than it appears. In my opinion, one of the biggest issues with comparing cities and metro areas in the U.S. is that the physical boundaries are not very equal among comparable cities. Urbanized areas can be a better comparison, but are also imperfect as the land area included among urbanized areas also varies significantly.

[Blackbeauty212]

Originally Posted by RightonWalnut

Philadelphia and Chicago are not peer cities. The cities above Philadelphia are NYC, which is in a tier of it's own, and LA and Chicago which are in the next tier down.

Philadelphia is then in the 3rd tier, and peers with Houston, Dallas, Miami, Atlanta, San Francisco, Boston and Washington DC.

Pittsburgh is two tiers down from that. Philly and Pittsburgh are not peer cities.

What makes this official? Peer Cities, is not calculated only by cities or an MSAs Population totals. You guys really need to quit smoking the "Population weed"

Houston, Dallas, Atlanta, SF Boston and DC all outperform Philadelphia in just about every economic metric.

Incomes are much higher in these cities, population growth is higher, Investment within the cities themselves is much higher .... Philly (the city) does not compete with these cities, it simply doesn't, quit lying.

Middle Class incomes are higher in the city of Pittsburgh alone than in the city Philadelphia, Pittsburgh has more F500 in the city than Philadelphia.

Seattle, Denver and Minneapolis outperforms Philadelphia in a wide array of Metrics.

[RightonWalnut]

Originally Posted by wpipkins2

I am still trying to overcome the "full blown" decline comment???

There are easily 70 projects in Pittsburgh. I think ROW only focuses on skyscraper development and not inner city infill and connectivity.

Originally Posted by speagles84

It's absurd to be honest. ALMONO, 350 Oliver, Carrie furnace, Lower Hill redevelopment, station square development, edli, COUNTLESS mid size projects in Lawrenceville, one grandview, South side works, garden theatre, 3 crossings, literally half of the strip district, Empire 7, skyvue, 3406 forbes, CMUs 2 major projects, bakery square, hunt armory, ubers test track,.... you have to blind to not think the amount of development in the city of Pittsburgh isn't at least 70 projects.

I've been meaning to respond to these, I've just been tight on time the past few days.

I understand there are infill projects happening in Pittsburgh, but do you think there are no infill projects happening in Philadelphia? I focus on highrise construction, because it's easier to keep track of.

Yes, Philadelphia has 15+ highrises under construction at any given time over the past 4-5 years, but there at least 50 infill projects in development in the city. There are probably about 50 rehab projects happening. There are also at least 250 rowhome/townhome and small mixed-use buildings under development throughout the city. That doesn't include park construction, SEPTA station, bridge and track construction, capping of I-76 and I-95, new bridge and road construction, complete I-95 re-construction, etc. etc.

The amount of infill projects alone are insane:

Penn Nanotechnology Center
http://www.weissmanfredi.com/media/f...ffbeae5183.jpg

Penn Perelman Center for Political Science and Economics
https://news.upenn.edu/sites/default...%20streets.jpg

Penn Neural and Behavioral Sciences Center
http://www.pennconnects.upenn.edu/al...ng_large_5.jpg

46th and Woodland - USciences new Dorm
https://imageserver-bisnow1.netdna-s...2_woodland.png

3.0 University Place
http://www.ocfrealty.com/sites/www.o...FROM-ABOVE.jpg

4000 Pine
http://1hw5hl1kh4wqfgp71p0cm8qb.wpen...-640x480_c.png

4224 Baltimore
https://images1.apartments.com/i2/Jj...mary-photo.jpg

2501 Washington
http://www.passyunkpost.com/wp-conte...17467353_o.jpg

2401 Washington
http://www.passyunkpost.com/wp-conte...4.54.21-PM.png

Lincoln Square (Broad and Washington)
http://www.passyunkpost.com/wp-conte...8.16.15-AM.png

1200 Washington
http://cdn.phillymag.com/wp-content/...ashington2.jpg

9th and Washington
http://media.bizj.us/view/img/668611...-1118-56-0.png

1111 South Broad
http://www.passyunkpost.com/wp-conte...1-broad-st.png

Broad and Ellsworth
http://planphilly.com/uploads/media_....752.360.c.png

1221 South Broad
https://thumbs.trulia-cdn.com/pictur...a-PA-19146.jpg

Hanover North Broad (Broad and Callowhill building 1)
https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/cL3...zeRender.0.jpg

Hanover North Broad (Broad and Callowhill building 2)
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-n15tQ_SshM.../s1600/005.png

2415 North Broad
https://projecthome.org/sites/projec...?itok=JhdkWTYe

401 Race
http://cdn.phillymag.com/wp-content/...-21st-2015.png

The National - 2nd and Arch
http://media.philly.com/images/060116_national_1200.jpg

310 Girard
http://kjoarchitecture.com/wp-conten...xterior2-2.jpg

2nd and Wildey
http://www.ocfrealty.com/sites/www.o...d%20street.png

Centennial Village
http://www.community-ventures.org/wp...g-1024x731.jpg

Belmont Ave and City Ave
http://www.cityave.org/wp-content/up...er_revised.jpg

4300 Ridge Ave
https://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/uploads/cho...16.28%20PM.png

27th and Girard
http://www.ocfrealty.com/sites/www.o...d%20render.jpg

Courtyard Marriott Navy Yard
http://www.uwishunu.com/wp-content/u...iott-680uw.jpg

1200 Intrepid
https://media.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/AAEA...ZjVlNmE2Yg.jpg

6600 Germantown Ave
http://stammdevelopment.com/wp-conte...ider-1-min.jpg

1222 N. 2nd Street
https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/uploads/cho...02.41_PM.0.png

1525 N. American
http://cdn.phillymag.com/wp-content/...an-edited.jpeg

Soko Lofts
http://www.bartonpartners.com/wp-con...05_01_WEB1.jpg

Liberty Square
http://www.blackstonedt.com/uploads/...om_960x450.jpg

1100 N. Delaware Ave
http://planphilly.com/uploads/media_....752.369.s.png

2108-10 Walnut
http://www.dalecorp.com/wp-content/u...endering-2.jpg

22nd and Walnut
http://www.phillyliving.com/images/i...e-003_2300.jpg

2400 South
http://www.rentphilly.com/wp-content...2400-South.jpg

Bloc23
http://www.ocfrealty.com/sites/www.o...20rend%201.png

410 Society Hill
http://www.centercityteam.com/wp-con...ciety-Hill.jpg

Falls Bridge Lofts (East Falls)
https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/jH2...194578_n.0.jpg

4442 Ridge Ave
http://planphilly.com/uploads/media_....752.409.s.png

15th and Girard
https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/3jy...20render.0.png

Temple New Library
https://campusoperations.temple.edu/...?itok=mS6Upink

The Isle Apartments (Manayunk)
https://d37lj287rvypnj.cloudfront.net/163367055/full

One West (Chestnut Hill)
https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...hres_06.16.jpg

^^That's not half of the infill projects under construction. That doesn't even include the smaller townhome/rowhome developments, and smaller mixed-use projects being built all across the city. Take a look on Google Maps at Northern Liberties, Olde Kensington, Fishtown, East Kensington, Olde Richmond, Port Richmond, Delaware Waterfront, Brewerytown, Francisville, Templetown, Manayunk, Graduate Hospital, Dickinson Narrows, Newbold, Point Breeze, etc. etc.... literally entire blocks under cosntruciton.

[RightonWalnut]

Originally Posted by Blackbeauty212

YAY! Philly was able to steal one



Meanwhile....

Hahaha. Knew that would get you all riled up. You're so damn predictable. You do know this same thing is happening in Philadelphia right?

A couple dozen jobs for Amazon in Pittsburgh? Groundbreaking!

You do realize most of those 5,000 jobs are in the Lehigh Valley, Chester County, Montgomery County, Lancaster County and Dauphin County right?

Investment? Philadelphia has been a top venture capital/investment city for start-ups for years. Pittsburgh? Nowhere to be found. At least not in the top 20...

The Geography of Venture Capital in the U.S. - CityLab


Tech scene? Come on with it already! Pittsburgh is drawing some big name companies bringing 50-200 jobs each sure, but it is a limited scene with no ties to the area. Philadelphia is growing it's own burgeoning tech scene, most of which will stay and grow in the city or the area:

How a tour of the Philly tech scene changed this undergrad’s life
How a tour of the Philly tech scene changed this undergrad's life - Technical.ly Philly

Philly Ranks 5th on Huffington Post List of Top Tech Cities
Read more at Philly Ranks 5th on Huffington Post List of Top Tech Cities

PHILLY’S GROWING TECH SCENE
https://diamondsunleashed.org/philly...ng-tech-scene/

Philly tech 101: New guide gives a 'glimpse' into city's thriving scene
http://www.bizjournals.com/philadelp...mpse-into.html

[RightonWalnut]

Originally Posted by Blackbeauty212

What makes this official? Peer Cities, is not calculated only by cities or an MSAs Population totals. You guys really need to quit smoking the "Population weed"

Houston, Dallas, Atlanta, SF Boston and DC all outperform Philadelphia in just about every economic metric.

Incomes are much higher in these cities, population growth is higher, Investment within the cities themselves is much higher .... Philly (the city) does not compete with these cities, it simply doesn't, quit lying.

You are very strange. Yes, some cities are outperforming others, but that doesn't mean they're not peers.

Philadelphia, Houston, Atlanta, Dallas, Miami, SF, Boston and DC are all peers. That's multiple factors put into place including population, # of jobs, Gross Domestic Product (GDP), Median Household Income, etc. etc. Even for Fortune 500 and Fortune 1000 companies, Philadelphia compares VERY well to these other areas. You're just a hater and can't see it.

I don't think current growth trends have anything to do with it... if so, then Pittsburgh is in the lowest possible tier with Cleveland, since it has lost the second most in population out of any area in the US since 2010.

You're the only one who puts such a strong emphasis on city limits. Do you think Miami is city only? Miami Beach, South Beach, Sunny Isles, etc. It all acts as one area.

San Francisco? Oakland, Berkley, Pal Alto, San Jose, etc.

Boston? Cambridge, Brookline, Newton, Waltham, Somerville, etc.

Los Angeles? Santa Monica, Long Beach, Beverly Hills, etc.

Washington DC? Alexandria, Arlington, Pentagon City, Tysons Corner, etc. etc.

Philadelphia is a diverse metro area and acts as one cohesive whole. Philadelphia, Bala Cynwyd, Conshohocken, Main Line, King of Prussia, Malvern, Radnor, Cherry Hill, Camden, Wilmington, etc. etc. It's all one area.

Middle Class incomes are higher in the city of Pittsburgh alone than in the city Philadelphia, Pittsburgh has more F500 in the city than Philadelphia.

Seattle, Denver and Minneapolis outperforms Philadelphia in a wide array of Metrics.

$41,233 for Philadelphia versus $41,293 for Pittsburgh. Their income levels are practically equal now, if Philadelphia hasn't surpassed Pittsburgh already as of 2016. You can no longer make this argument.

F500? Well Pittsburgh lost Heinz... so one down for Pitt. Where a Fortune 500 is technically based has no to little baring on anything actually. The Philadelphia Region has far more Fortune 500s. The Philadelphia Region and Philadelphia City has more Fortune 1000s. The city of Philadelphia has more jobs than all of Allegheny County. This really isn't even a competition.

[RightonWalnut]

Originally Posted by Blackbeauty212

What makes this official? Peer Cities, is not calculated only by cities or an MSAs Population totals. You guys really need to quit smoking the "Population weed"

You realize we're counting everything right? Not just population but Total # of Jobs, GDP, Median Household Income, Fortune 500, Fortune 1000, Airport, Public Transit, Port size, etc. etc. Philadelphia ranks very favorably to all of those other cities.

Again... what a WEIRD thing to put so much emphasis on. GAWC??? You know they only rank cities based on their global connection on the finance industry and trade right? Plus, whatever weird ranking you posted is not the actual ranking. Why wouldn't you just look up actual GAWC rankings??

Alpha++ ... New York City
Alpha ... Los Angeles, Chicago
Alpha- ... San Francisco, Washington DC, Miami, Boston, Atlanta
Beta+ ... Philadelphia, Dallas, Houston
Beta- ... Minneapolis, San Jose, Seattle, Cleveland, Detroit, Denver, San Diego,
Gamma+ ... St. Louis, Baltimore, Phoenix, Charlotte, Tampa
Gamma ... Raleigh, Cincinnati, Milwaukee
Gamma- ... Columbus, Orlando, Kansas City, Portland

Where is Pittsburgh? Not on the list. It used to be a Gamma- but has since fallen off. Do you want to continue to put so much stock in this arbitrary and useless ranking of cities?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_city

[cpomp]

It pains BB to see Philadelphia perform well, the endless spew of garbage never stops, she makes claims that are convenient in the moment, provides no backup, the says something completely different the next day.


For BB: Why do you have so much animosity toward Philadelphia, I really don't understand, especially since its in the same state at Pittsburgh! Do not factor in any "boosters" or people on here, down and dirty why do you hate/ have such negative attitudes toward Philadelphia? And don't try to pull some response about defending Pittsburgh or whatever, you throw out insult after insult, you post false or limited info, you NEVER acknowledge that Philadelphia is a major city and among the largest and most powerful in the nation, and you will NEVER admit that Philadelphia is in a league higher than Pittsburgh. You can't even be happy that the Philadelphia MSA is one of the only growing regions in the state. What's the deal, I think we would all like to know, both sides of the state.


If you for once post a thoughtful articulate level-headed response, I will stop responding to you.