Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Who thinks that our next president (whoever it may be) will do something about this issue? Who is the best bet? Does anyone actually think the insurance co's are scared to death of hilary?
I think the insurance industry loves Hilliary. Who else mandates that you have to BUY insurance from the SAME industry but through a government salesperson...
And I wasn't aware that women in the US with poor medical outcomes were prohibited from terminating the pregnancy. And last time I checked the Netherlands has NICUs etc and a better outcome when it comes to infant mortality. BTW the US as a whole is not ranked #1 at all as a place to obtain medical care, so I'm not sure why people are under the illusion that it is some sort of pancea. Sure compared to alot of places I'd rather be here but it isn't the only place where intelligent Drs work.
You sure take what you want to out of a given post, don't you. What I was talking about is that babies that would be born stillborn in many countries (and not count against their infant mortality rate) are able to be born in the US. Many of those die despite efforts to save them and thus skew the infant mortality rate in the US downward. Some of them are saved but, again, most of those would have not even been born in a country with a poorer health care system.
I assume the ranking you refer to is the WHO ranking. That is very politicized. I am confident you will take this out of context but I'll say it anyway... The rankings are not based solely on the quality of care. They include factors like whether the system is socialized and state-paid access to abortions and birth control. Based solely on quality of care the US would rank MUCH higher.
There is a reason why the majority of the world's medical advances in procedures and drugs come from the US. And the reason has nothing to do with too few government regulations.
Why are so many people looking to government to solve their problems? Doesn't it get depressing waiting for some out-of-touch politician to propose more bueraucracy for your problem? Government created the health care mess in the first place with their wage controls during WWII.
i don't have health care. I use the money I would have spent in premiums to go to a gym and pay for healthier foods....
Great, lemon drop. And you are one of those unisured that politicians cite as being a reason why we need government-paid health care. You imply that you could afford it but choose not to.
I appreciate that you want to remain healthy with your preventative measures but you should consider a major medical policy at least so that if you do have a serious illness or accidents that you are not stiffing the taxpayers for your bill.
Last edited by Niners fan; 03-05-2008 at 04:56 PM..
Reason: misspelling
Because I pay taxes and the government is technically supposed to be of the people, by the people and for the people, not a corporation. Given that I want my government, which I pay taxes into, to work for me like it is supposed. I certainly don't expect a corporation to have my best interest in mind or to by my advocate.
And after you posted that link, I don't know that you have much place to dismiss much of anything as propaganda.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Niners fan
You sure take what you want to out of a given post, don't you. What I was talking about is that babies that would be born stillborn in many countries (and not count against their infant mortality rate) are able to be born in the US. Many of those die despite efforts to save them and thus skew the infant mortality rate in the US downward. Some of them are saved but, again, most of those would have not even been born in a country with a poorer health care system.
I assume the ranking you refer to is the WHO ranking. That is very politicized. I am confident you will take this out of context but I'll say it anyway... The rankings are not based solely on the quality of care. They include factors like whether the system is socialized and state-paid access to abortions and birth control. Based solely on quality of care the US would rank MUCH higher.
There is a reason why the majority of the world's medical advances in procedures and drugs come from the US. And the reason has nothing to do with too few government regulations.
Why are so many people looking to government to solve their problems? Doesn't it get depressing waiting for some out-of-touch politician to propose more bueraucracy for your problem? Government created the health care mess in the first place with their wage controls during WWII.
Well technically an American should be able to have all 3, including equitable health care & access to healthy food, which is a whole other area that would provide for exhaustive debate (which I don't want to get into).
Quote:
Originally Posted by Niners fan
Great, lemon drop. And you are one of those unisured that politicians site as being a reason why we need government-paid health care. You imply that you could afford it but choose not to.
I appreciate that you want to remain healthy with your preventative measures but you should consider a major medical policy at least so that if you do have a serious illness or accidents that you are not stiffing the taxpayers for your bill.
Well technically an American should be able to have all 3, including equitable health care & access to healthy food, which is a whole other area that would provide for exhaustive debate (which I don't want to get into).
I'm not looking to get into a philosphical debate either so if you could just cite the passage in the Consititution about the right to "equitable health care & access to healthy food" and health insurance then I'll let the subject go...
Right b/c the constitution is the only document that proves our founding father's intent or that substantiates our rights as citizens...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Niners fan
I'm not looking to get into a philosphical debate either so if you could just cite the passage in the Consititution about the right to "equitable health care & access to healthy food" and health insurance then I'll let the subject go...
Great, lemon drop. And you are one of those unisured that politicians cite as being a reason why we need government-paid health care. You imply that you could afford it but choose not to.
I appreciate that you want to remain healthy with your preventative measures but you should consider a major medical policy at least so that if you do have a serious illness or accidents that you are not stiffing the taxpayers for your bill.
I'm not the problem.
The problem is health care providers and drug companies have gotten away with charging exorbitant fees for their goods and services because people like YOU don't ask questions. The insurance companies, drug companies, and health care providers are all in cahoots with the government.
Philip T. said it beautifully in his earlier post on this thread:
So why are you all such conditioned sheep into never questioning the over-priced medical bills? That is where the problem lies -- not in the need for nor lack of insurance. The bills have been ran up to gouge US and medical, pharmco and insurance industry all profit from this. They have paid Congress and rest of the related government hundreds of millions to make this all possible.
They are all making bank by working together. Have you tracked how medical bills are marked down by the insurance industry before payment, but it still all profitable to medical and pharmco folks end? The whole thing is a fraud. Time to out-source around the crooks. The Mexicans are right -- nothing but loss in the whole mess and time to route around.
and Yes, I do not buy "health insurance." (a racket). We pay cash as needed and I will sue the @ss off any provider who tries to gouge us for paying cash.
lemon drop
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
