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Old 11-08-2017, 12:19 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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A buddy of mine has $45k left in student loans at about 5.5% with 7 years of payments left. He is thinking of borrowing $40k from his TSP which is a lot like a 401k but for Federal employees. He will have to pay it back to his own TSP over five years, while paying interest to his own account at the current G Fund rate which is 2.25%. The last $5k will be paid with savings.

I know one of the drawbacks of borrowing from a 401k is that if you leave your job before you pay it all back, the money borrowed becomes taxable. But it is unlikely a fed will leave the federal government.

I guess the main risk is missing out on the market continuing to go up at record rates, but we are due for a downturn.

It sounds like a good idea to me. What do you guys think? Any experience with borrowing from retirement accounts?
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Old 11-08-2017, 12:50 PM
 
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Is there an additional tax penalty for early withdrawal? There is if you withdraw early from a 401(k).

He'll also lose ant gains as you noted and the effect of compounding. I think it's a bad idea. Who knows when the downturn will occur. If he wants to pay his loans off early, it would be better for him to take a second job and/or cut expenses. Federal jobs have been known to disappear if funding is cut. Borrowing against your retirement is almost never a good idea.
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Old 11-08-2017, 12:51 PM
 
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Is there an additional tax penalty for early withdrawal? There is if you withdraw early from a 401(k).

He'll also lose ant gains as you noted and the effect of compounding. I think it's a bad idea. Who knows when the downturn will occur. If he wants to pay his loans off early, it would be better for him to take a second job and/or cut expenses. Federal jobs have been known to disappear if funding is cut. Borrowing against your retirement is almost never a good idea.
A loan and withdrawal aren't considered the same thing. A loan as along as it is repaid doesn't have a penalty
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Old 11-08-2017, 12:56 PM
 
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A loan and withdrawal aren't considered the same thing. A loan as along as it is repaid doesn't have a penalty
Thanks for the clarification.
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Old 11-08-2017, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Berkeley Neighborhood, Denver, CO USA
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Do not do it.
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Old 11-08-2017, 01:34 PM
 
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Sounds like a great idea to me. Lower interest rate, and he's paying himself the interest, instead of paying the bank. Honestly, if he could pay himself a higher interest rate, it would be even better.

I definitely agree with getting out of the market. We are SO due for a major correction.
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Old 11-08-2017, 02:04 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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Is there an additional tax penalty for early withdrawal? There is if you withdraw early from a 401(k).

He'll also lose ant gains as you noted and the effect of compounding. I think it's a bad idea. Who knows when the downturn will occur. If he wants to pay his loans off early, it would be better for him to take a second job and/or cut expenses. Federal jobs have been known to disappear if funding is cut. Borrowing against your retirement is almost never a good idea.
There is no tax or penalty as long as he pays back the loan to his retirement account within 5 years. The payments are made via payroll deductions.
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Old 11-08-2017, 02:07 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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Sounds like a great idea to me. Lower interest rate, and he's paying himself the interest, instead of paying the bank. Honestly, if he could pay himself a higher interest rate, it would be even better.

I definitely agree with getting out of the market. We are SO due for a major correction.
You can only borrow 50% of your account balance or $50k, whichever is less. So he still will have skin in the game, but it seems like a good hedge against a market correction.
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Old 11-08-2017, 05:31 PM
 
Location: Florida
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A buddy of mine has $45k left in student loans at about 5.5% with 7 years of payments left. He is thinking of borrowing $40k from his TSP which is a lot like a 401k but for Federal employees. He will have to pay it back to his own TSP over five years, while paying interest to his own account at the current G Fund rate which is 2.25%. The last $5k will be paid with savings.

I know one of the drawbacks of borrowing from a 401k is that if you leave your job before you pay it all back, the money borrowed becomes taxable. But it is unlikely a fed will leave the federal government.

I guess the main risk is missing out on the market continuing to go up at record rates, but we are due for a downturn.

It sounds like a good idea to me. What do you guys think? Any experience with borrowing from retirement accounts?
No do not borrow.
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Old 11-08-2017, 06:44 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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No do not borrow.
But he plans to borrow from himself... care to elaborate?
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