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My dear Watson, you should talk to people who work in welfare fraud investigations. They will let you in on the real story of how rampant the fraud is outside of PC/SJW fantasy land.....
Are you kidding? You're looking ridiculous in your attempt to justify this.
It proves they 1. didn't need them and are now 2. selling them illegally.
SNAP, WIC, etc. benefits are based on need because, yes, there are those who need assistance. When you turn around and sell whatever you received, you didn't need it to begin with.
WIC distributes all types of expensive infant formula, too. You'd better believe that selling it, or ANY benefit, constitutes fraud.
Both recipient fraud and retailer fraud ultimately impede the delivery of these benefits to the target demographic: those who truly need them.
This.
Insanity to defend these frauds. I'm mean outright refusing to acknowledge it's happening.
You know the quote...."the lady doth protest too much"...
Food stamps, as we know it, needs to end with the exception of the elderly and the legitimately disabled.
Insanity to defend these frauds. I'm mean outright refusing to acknowledge it's happening.
You know the quote...."the lady doth protest too much"...
Food stamps, as we know it, needs to end with the exception of the elderly and the legitimately disabled.
What about the "working poor"? I don't even think I could support myself on a minimum-wage job, let alone a spouse and a kid or two. Even if both spouses have minimum-wage job and grandparents take care of the kids for free, I could see them needing extra help. Many retail jobs want you only PT to avoid paying for benefits and if you juggle 2 PT jobs, one might not have regular hours but want you to be "on call" so you can come in when they need you. This is common in fast-food jobs.
I wouldn't want to make people who work ineligible for food stamps, but I agree that fraud exists and those who are caught should be nailed to the wall. On another Board I'm on, a guy who manages a grocery store realized that people were using food stamps to buy gallon bottles of water, emptying the water in the parking lot, and returning the bottles to get the deposit. They couldn't even be bothered to use the water. What a waste.
Food stamps will not go away, nor will there be any limitations on what kind of food can be bought. Reason - food groups lobby. If you tried to make soda ineligible, the soda lobby would be worming their way into Congress passing out money to key legislators. Every kind of food has a lobbying group. Money talks.
Ever wonder why there is no move to ban Lifeline cellphones? Because one of the world's richest men, Carlos Slim, is making money off them. The billionaires take care of each other.
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people were using food stamps to buy gallon bottles of water, emptying the water in the parking lot, and returning the bottles to get the deposit.
Really - using up $1 worth of benefits to get a nickel or a dime?
Really - using up $1 worth of benefits to get a nickel or a dime?
That's what he said. I wasn't there but this guy posts frequently on many topics so I have no reason to believe he's making it up to drive some political agenda. And I suppose that if you're desperate for your next hit of crack, nothing else matters.
I really have to love someone who can't read for content.
You initially made a claim that a parking lot was full of fancy cars owned by people who didn't need food stamps.
You quoted article after article here that deals very generally with the issue of welfare fraud. If I break the articles down most of the welfare fraud pertains to medicaid. Most of this fraud isn't committed by the poor. Its committed by medical providers who have found a way to milk the system while treating the poor for health problems. SNAP benefits are mentioned in the last article. However, I never said that no one abuses food stamps. What I disputed was a specific claim about people with fancy automobiles who were doing it.
Seriously. What do you propose? Abolishing all public assistance because there is a small percentage of fraud?
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What about the "working poor"? I don't even think I could support myself on a minimum-wage job, let alone a spouse and a kid or two. Even if both spouses have minimum-wage job and grandparents take care of the kids for free, I could see them needing extra help. Many retail jobs want you only PT to avoid paying for benefits and if you juggle 2 PT jobs, one might not have regular hours but want you to be "on call" so you can come in when they need you. This is common in fast-food jobs.
I wouldn't want to make people who work ineligible for food stamps, but I agree that fraud exists and those who are caught should be nailed to the wall. On another Board I'm on, a guy who manages a grocery store realized that people were using food stamps to buy gallon bottles of water, emptying the water in the parking lot, and returning the bottles to get the deposit. They couldn't even be bothered to use the water. What a waste.
Fraud, an inevitable aspect of any transaction where money and people come together. It's integral to any organization that controls money, it's in the churches, it's in the schools, it's very much a part of American business, so, are we to throw out the good aspects of aid because a program has fraud as a cancer upon it?
Paying people to look for fraud has it's own costs, and that isn't an insignificant cost. It includes investigations, vetting procedures, criminal prosecution, and continuous security updating. The worst of all that kind of employment is the knowledge that these jobs are now creating another class of welfare recipient living off of of our tax dollars. People seem to have forgotten that most of the problems in our society are due to human nature, and that isn't subject to change anytime soon.
I'd love to see this program abolished among the able-bodied. Exceptions would be made for the elderly, disabled, and temporarily unemployed (3 month max). It seems there is a misunderstanding or denial of the correlation of under/unemployment and poverty. Even more mind-boggling is the inability to understand the correlation between having too many children that cannot be supported and the need for public assistance. Of course, having more children means receiving more aid, and so the babies are born and the cycle continues through generations. The people who have the courage to speak up and speak out about the fraud perpetuated are crucified, deemed heartless, face losing their jobs for reporting the fraud, or told to mind their own business.
For those of you who do not believe that there is widespread fraud, speak with any cashier at a grocery store or liquor store.
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They couldn't even be bothered to use the water. What a waste.
