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Old 05-26-2020, 07:07 PM
 
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I’ve ran 10 different online calculators and they all give me different results. So I’m reaching out to the gurus for some input.


Original loan:

30 year @ 4.5% for 296k Originated 12-2010 (20 yrs 7 months left)
Balance is $237k.


Refi loan:

A) 15 year @ 2.375 for $252k ($15k closing costs & buy down). So new loan will be $252k.

B) 15 yr @ 2.875 for $244k loan ($6k in closing costs)



1. Does this refi make sense in the long run?

2. What is the time to recoup the $15k?

3. Is loan B a better option financially?


As I said I’m getting different numbers on each calculator.


Thanks in advance!
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Old 05-27-2020, 07:48 AM
 
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personal opinion, but with rates being this low I'd think the less you can put down out of pocket the better. If you have any other type of debt (student loans, car, credit card, etc.) you'd be better off putting the larger down payment toward that. If you have no other debt you'd still likely be better investing that extra $. Again, totally my opinion and likely the direction I'd go.

Have you considered looking at a 30 year and just making additional payments? The only reason I mention this is because the interest rates will likely be very close to a 15 and this will pretty much cut your mortgage payment in half. You can always make additional payments to pay it off faster, but if you ever find yourself out of work, or wanting to save for a large purchase or a vacation or something you'll have the option of making the smaller payment... Just something to consider. Especially with how much we've been printing money, there has to be some inflation coming that'll help chew up debt.
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Old 05-27-2020, 04:01 PM
 
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Bump.

Any mortgage experts out there want to take a stab at this? Or send me a legit online calculator?
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Old 05-28-2020, 07:03 AM
 
Location: Charleston, SC
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In my opinion, you have all the numbers you need right there. You don't need a calculator.

You have to answer the question -- Do you want to pay thousands of dollars in closing costs just for the privilege of re-paying that interest all over again ?

That Original Mortgage was a bad deal, and should have been re-financed back around 2013. You've been mailing them checks for 10 years and only knocked $60K off the principal.

On the current loan....how much are you chipping away at principal each month ?? Are you able to take full advantage of the Interest Tax Deduction ?? You might be better off starting up a separate Fund, to be used as Emergency Money....and then pay this deal off completely when it no longer provides a Tax dodge.

Speaking strictly for myself, the closing costs you've been quoted are too high. Have you truly shopped this around ??
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Old 05-28-2020, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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It's hard to say if it's worth it or which loan structure is best without knowing how long you plan to stay in the home. If you plan to sell in a year or two then it's probably not. Over the term of the loan it's for sure worth it because you're going to save 10's of thousands in interest.

The payback period would be easier to determine if you shared your total monthly payment. What is your payment now and what will your new payment be under each scenario?
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Old 05-30-2020, 04:41 PM
 
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It's worth it. Don't do a 30 year. That's just dumb. I will run the numbers. Give me a few minutes.
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Old 05-30-2020, 04:57 PM
 
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So the one with the buy down is going to result in lower payback total, however, they are betting you will sell the house sooner so than the 15 year holding period. So if you plan to hold on for a long(er) time, it makes more sense to go with that one. Still working on payback period.
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Old 05-30-2020, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Sacramento area
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(Using the Bankrate calculator)

Loan A- total cost is 299,793.75
Loan B- total cost is 300,670.05

Your original loan is harder to calculate since you're partway through it, but if you put in 20 years with the current balance at 4.5%, the total cost is $359,850.97. So either loan will save you a good chunk of money in interest.

If it were me, I would do loan B in order to have a lower loan balance since spending that chunk of money to lower the interest saves you less than 1000 over 15 years. If you're wanting to lower the total cost of the loan, it would make more sense to pay a little extra each month and pay off the loan sooner, rather than using that to lower the interest rate. For example if you pay it off even one year sooner, you save $4k in interest payments which is more than you would have saved with loan A.

We're actually looking at a very similar refi situation and it seems like under about 3% there's a cut-off point where you really get diminishing returns on paying points to lower the interest rate. Disclaimer: I am not a financial expert, I've just been running the numbers a lot on our own situation recently
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Old 05-31-2020, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Charleston, SC
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Gallifrey --

Just for my own curiosity, are those closing costs reasonable ?? Is that what it costs these days to close a loan of that size ??
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Old 05-31-2020, 08:52 PM
 
Location: Out West
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How long do you plan to stay in the house?
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