Philadelphia 2035 (York, Midland, Penn: accents, pronounced, rural)

[MB1562]

Originally Posted by kyb01

Run for office just like AOC did in NY.

Be the change you want.

I run my mouth way too much to be a politician not of the Trump ilk.

[kyb01]

Originally Posted by MB1562

I run my mouth way too much to be a politician not of the Trump ilk.

Inspite of the national election last week, I'm not sure the country can take two more years of Trump.

I come on too strong wrt your generation ... I'm aware of that... but I'm pretty worried about the future although I do see positive things.

[southbound_295]

Originally Posted by Fireshaker

What southern qualities does Philly present? I'm legit curious about this interpretation, because I've never noticed anything about this city or its residents that is even remotely southern.

You can start with the accent, the accent that is shared with Baltimore.

I remember hearing the comment, years ago, from a SC native, - my god, you people will just stop on the street to talk when you run into people. That person then likened Philadelphia to Charlotte. I hadn't thought of it before, but the person was right.

[kyb01]

Originally Posted by southbound_295

You can start with the accent, the accent that is shared with Baltimore.

I remember hearing the comment, years ago, from a SC native, - my god, you people will just stop on the street to talk when you run into people. That person then likened Philadelphia to Charlotte. I hadn't thought of it before, but the person was right.

I have some familial roots in B-more and Talbot Co/eastern shore, MD. I still have one cousin living there. More than once people have asked me, after hearing me talk, if I was from Baltimore.

[southbound_295]

Originally Posted by kyb01

I have some familial roots in B-more and Talbot Co/eastern shore, MD. I still have one cousin living there. More than once people have asked me, after hearing me talk, if I was from Baltimore.

Yup, the city accents have some varients, but it's absolutely a regionally shared accent. The map on the U of P linguistic map clearly shows it, & it's within the family of southern accents.

[jessemh431]

Originally Posted by southbound_295

Have you spent much time in Philadelphia?

Philadelphia, Baltimore, & DC are the main focus when they talk about the MidAtlantic. In my opinion, those 3 cities are more alike than any of them are like NYC. All 3 have certain Southern qualities. Since the nature of the MidAtlantic is transition, DC is the most southern of the 3.

Yeah. I lived there a bit. Parents and grandparents are there. I've been visiting at least once per month for the last year or more.

Geographically, yes, Philly is Mid-Atlantic. Linguistically, it's similar to Baltimore. But Philly is much more Northeast than Southern. DC has some Northeast qualities, but is much more Southern than Northeast. Baltimore is the middle. I think Philly has more in common with NYC than DC. And it's a fact that NYC<-->Philly is the largest migration in the country.

So, IMO, that will only intensify with New Yorkers moving to Philly if they're not in tech/finance, with Philadelphians moving to NYC if they're in tech/finance. Meanwhile, the DC residents who are not in tech/government, IMO, will not be moving to Philly as much as the New Yorkers will be. Idk where they'll go, but I don't believe it'll be Philly. Some will, of course, but it won't be as intense a migration as it will be from NYC.

I don't think it has really as much to do with how "Southern" Philly comes off, it's more a fact of geography and already-established migration patterns. Demographically and socially, NYC and Philly are far more connected than DC and Philly. If there are big things about people fleeing DC prices to Philly, I'd be happy to read it because I'd be genuinely curious if the migration is even close to as intense. Because I did recently read an article about how many immigrants in NYC have been moving to Philly to fulfill their American dream. Many Chinese, Vietnamese, Dominican, and Puerto Rican immigrants to NYC are now moving to Philly where they can live more comfortably, but have a similar lifestyle. The friends my parents and grandparents have made in Philly are all from either the Philly metro or NYC metro. My friends there are similar, or were from Southeast PA somewhere and have social circles in both Philly and NYC/North Jersey. I have one friend in Philly from the South. So even though Philly is Mid-Atlantic and a transition zone between the Northeast and Southeast, it's still far more Northeast than Southern and that personality will intensify as more and more people from NYC/Philly move between the two and increase the connectivity.

[MB1562]

Maybe the accents (which are dying off everywhere anyway) share similarities, but Philadelphia has pretty much nil in common with southern culture (thankfully).

[cpomp]

Originally Posted by jessemh431

Yeah. I lived there a bit. Parents and grandparents are there. I've been visiting at least once per month for the last year or more.

Geographically, yes, Philly is Mid-Atlantic. Linguistically, it's similar to Baltimore. But Philly is much more Northeast than Southern. DC has some Northeast qualities, but is much more Southern than Northeast. Baltimore is the middle. I think Philly has more in common with NYC than DC. And it's a fact that NYC<-->Philly is the largest migration in the country.

So, IMO, that will only intensify with New Yorkers moving to Philly if they're not in tech/finance, with Philadelphians moving to NYC if they're in tech/finance. Meanwhile, the DC residents who are not in tech/government, IMO, will not be moving to Philly as much as the New Yorkers will be. Idk where they'll go, but I don't believe it'll be Philly. Some will, of course, but it won't be as intense a migration as it will be from NYC.

I don't think it has really as much to do with how "Southern" Philly comes off, it's more a fact of geography and already-established migration patterns. Demographically and socially, NYC and Philly are far more connected than DC and Philly. If there are big things about people fleeing DC prices to Philly, I'd be happy to read it because I'd be genuinely curious if the migration is even close to as intense. Because I did recently read an article about how many immigrants in NYC have been moving to Philly to fulfill their American dream. Many Chinese, Vietnamese, Dominican, and Puerto Rican immigrants to NYC are now moving to Philly where they can live more comfortably, but have a similar lifestyle. The friends my parents and grandparents have made in Philly are all from either the Philly metro or NYC metro. My friends there are similar, or were from Southeast PA somewhere and have social circles in both Philly and NYC/North Jersey. I have one friend in Philly from the South. So even though Philly is Mid-Atlantic and a transition zone between the Northeast and Southeast, it's still far more Northeast than Southern and that personality will intensify as more and more people from NYC/Philly move between the two and increase the connectivity.

I agree, I don't know where people are getting these Southern comparisons from. Philadelphia is very much Northeast city, not more Southern than New York. You do not start to see Southern references until you hit DC, (in my opinion).

[mphilly]

I’ve lived in the Philly metro for almost my entire life and have never once thought or heard someone say that Philly had any similarities with southern culture. Some of the responses in this thread are surprising me. This is a northeastern city through and through.

[MarketStEl]

Originally Posted by cpomp

I agree, I don't know where people are getting these Southern comparisons from. Philadelphia is very much Northeast city, not more Southern than New York. You do not start to see Southern references until you hit DC, (in my opinion).

But the funny thing is, historically speaking, this city had closer ties to the South than any other in the Northeast.

Penn's medical school trained most of the South's doctors prior to the Civil War.

And I can't think of a mob of anti-abolitionists burning down an abolitionists' meeting hall anywhere north of here. That last, I think, can stand as a proxy for pro-Southern sentiment among the locals.