Philadelphia 2035 (maple, city hall, parking)

[Muinteoir]

Originally Posted by Hermit12

Stay safe out there, Muinteoir!

I wouldn't care if all the murals disappeared, I've never felt represented or a connection to any of them. Seems like a lot of woke crap to me.

Hermit will be Hermit. Peace, dude!

Also, PS everyone, before I go: My neighborhood made national news last night! And for what... you guessed it, weather conditions! Check the 2:45 timestamp. Next time round it'll be for our dynamic small-town-within-a-big-city vibe.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS4nMDeSlUI

[MarketStEl]

Originally Posted by Hermit12

Stay safe out there, Muinteoir!

I wouldn't care if all the murals disappeared, I've never felt represented or a connection to any of them. Seems like a lot of woke crap to me.

Many, nay, most of the murals gracing blank walls here well predate the introduction of the phrase "stay woke" into the language. (Those who used it were Black, and they were urging others to remain alert to the persistence and enduring significance of racism. I don't consider myself "woke," but I also cannot deny that racism remains a real problem that people of good will must deal with and some politicians exploit.)

And most of the murals communicate messages about society, community and culture. A particularly elaborate one on the side of a building next to a parking lot at 13th and Locust streets in the Gayborhood celebrates the performing arts. What better location for such a mural than one block away from the Academy of Music, the Miller Theatre, the Wilma Theater and the Avenue of the Arts?

And some of those murals — like the one being resurrected after a developer built over it, described in that article — have significance to the communities where they are located. Surely you wouldn't begrudge someone for painting a mural commemorating Martin Luther King's addressing a crowd at 40th and Lancaster in 1965 at that intersection?

Or this one, two blocks west, depicting the ties between Philadelphia and the city the street is named after?

I'm sure you would appreciate the mural on the side of a building somewhere near Ridge Avenue and Diamond Street depicting a beloved (Black) Philadelphia Police officer who died in the line of duty. And no one tags it, either.

One of the things I took heart from in the article is that a process exists for threatened murals to be redone, relocated, or replaced with other art in a new development. The murals were never meant to block potential development, but people do get attached to them, and I think some effort should be made to take community sentiments into account rather than just building over a mural and saying, "Tough. There's no stopping progress."

But in this case at least, you (like many in your camp) have once again misused the word "woke." And I hope I at least opened your eyes to the breadth of the murals found in the "City of Murals."

[Hermit12]

Originally Posted by MarketStEl

Many, nay, most of the murals gracing blank walls here well predate the introduction of the phrase "stay woke" into the language. (Those who used it were Black, and they were urging others to remain alert to the persistence and enduring significance of racism. I don't consider myself "woke," but I also cannot deny that racism remains a real problem that people of good will must deal with and some politicians exploit.)

And most of the murals communicate messages about society, community and culture. A particularly elaborate one on the side of a building next to a parking lot at 13th and Locust streets in the Gayborhood celebrates the performing arts. What better location for such a mural than one block away from the Academy of Music, the Miller Theatre, the Wilma Theater and the Avenue of the Arts?

And some of those murals — like the one being resurrected after a developer built over it, described in that article — have significance to the communities where they are located. Surely you wouldn't begrudge someone for painting a mural commemorating Martin Luther King's addressing a crowd at 40th and Lancaster in 1965 at that intersection?

Or this one, two blocks west, depicting the ties between Philadelphia and the city the street is named after?

I'm sure you would appreciate the mural on the side of a building somewhere near Ridge Avenue and Diamond Street depicting a beloved (Black) Philadelphia Police officer who died in the line of duty. And no one tags it, either.

One of the things I took heart from in the article is that a process exists for threatened murals to be redone, relocated, or replaced with other art in a new development. The murals were never meant to block potential development, but people do get attached to them, and I think some effort should be made to take community sentiments into account rather than just building over a mural and saying, "Tough. There's no stopping progress."

But in this case at least, you (like many in your camp) have once again misused the word "woke." And I hope I at least opened your eyes to the breadth of the murals found in the "City of Murals."

The murals mean nothing to me personally, but for those that like them, have at it. They haven't stopped the violence or improved the quality of life in the 'hood, that's for certain.

The meaning of the word 'woke' has changed ... things change, you know this. Nobody 'owns' a word ... different meanings for different people.
You may not like how the word is now used, but everybody knows what it means when my 'camp' uses it, e.g., "I no longer support Disney since they went woke."

[MarketStEl]

Originally Posted by Hermit12

The murals mean nothing to me personally, but for those that like them, have at it. They haven't stopped the violence or improved the quality of life in the 'hood, that's for certain.

The meaning of the word 'woke' has changed ... things change, you know this. Nobody 'owns' a word ... different meanings for different people.
You may not like how the word is now used, but everybody knows what it means when my 'camp' uses it, e.g., "I no longer support Disney since they went woke."

I understand that, but you were still misusing it in that sentence.* There, "woke" meant "anything I either don't approve of or can't relate to," and especially "can't relate to" in that case.

Nobody was being "culturally sensitive" or "diverse (for diversity's sake)" in these cases. Murals in neighborhoods whose residents understand them make sense.
And while they may not have made the quality of life better in their neighborhoods, they have made them a little bit prettier. And whether or not you know or agree with this, that can and does have a positive impact on some. So what if it's not enough? Better to make a small improvement than no improvement at all.

*P.S. I'm not only a writer but also an editor and something of a grammarian. For years I railed against the misuse of the word "unique" — that word means "there's only one of these, there's nothing else like it." And if that's the case, then you can't have something that's "more unique" than something else, nor can something be "very unique" (does "somewhat unique" make sense?). Whenever I saw that word used that way in copy, I'd substitute something more appropriate that can be used with comparative or relative adjectives: "original," "distinctive," "extraordinary," and so on.

But the tide eventually rose to the point where resistance was futile. Won't stop me from doing the grammar thing when I can (and it's appropriate: I know the 'Net discussion rule that one does not correct spelling errors, or most usage errors, for that matter. I got triggered here, however).

[Hermit12]

Originally Posted by MarketStEl

I understand that, but you were still misusing it in that sentence.* There, "woke" meant "anything I either don't approve of or can't relate to," and especially "can't relate to" in that case.

Nobody was being "culturally sensitive" or "diverse (for diversity's sake)" in these cases. Murals in neighborhoods whose residents understand them make sense.
And while they may not have made the quality of life better in their neighborhoods, they have made them a little bit prettier. And whether or not you know or agree with this, that can and does have a positive impact on some. So what if it's not enough? Better to make a small improvement than no improvement at all.

*P.S. I'm not only a writer but also an editor and something of a grammarian. For years I railed against the misuse of the word "unique" — that word means "there's only one of these, there's nothing else like it." And if that's the case, then you can't have something that's "more unique" than something else, nor can something be "very unique" (does "somewhat unique" make sense?). Whenever I saw that word used that way in copy, I'd substitute something more appropriate that can be used with comparative or relative adjectives: "original," "distinctive," "extraordinary," and so on.

But the tide eventually rose to the point where resistance was futile. Won't stop me from doing the grammar thing when I can (and it's appropriate: I know the 'Net discussion rule that one does not correct spelling errors, or most usage errors, for that matter. I got triggered here, however).

Nah. But you do what you need to do.

Stay triggered.

[Redddog]

What kind of an animal would use the term "more unique?"

[Redddog]

Originally Posted by Muinteoir

...
On that note, I think it's over and out for me. Love to all City-Data-ers. I am truly wishing all of you a positive and prosperous 2024. And remember, everyone you encounter is just a human. A little kindness not only fills up their cup, but it'll fill yours too.

xoxoxoxo,
...

Wait. Are you moving out of Philly or just not weighing in here?

[Redddog]

Originally Posted by Muinteoir

...
On that note, I think it's over and out for me. Love to all City-Data-ers. I am truly wishing all of you a positive and prosperous 2024. And remember, everyone you encounter is just a human. A little kindness not only fills up their cup, but it'll fill yours too.

xoxoxoxo,
...

Wait. Are you moving out of Philly or just not weighing in here?

You're one of the more unique posters on this site, for crying out loud.

[cpomp]

Updated CDR for the long awaited Jeweler's Row Tower. 35 stories at 414'. I'm liking the color palette.

https://www.phila.gov/media/20240123...6-2024-CDR.pdf

[thedirtypirate]

Originally Posted by cpomp

Updated CDR for the long awaited Jeweler's Row Tower. 35 stories at 414'. I'm liking the color palette.

https://www.phila.gov/media/20240123...6-2024-CDR.pdf

I like the colors on it too. Looks sick