Official Philadelphia Metro Crime Thread (Oxford: vouchers, law, legally)

[RightonWalnut]

Most of the NE is still in good shape... I believe only the lower northeast will decline to some extent. The Far Northeast will remain in good shape. The Northwest will also remain in good shape. In my opinion the most gentrification happening right now is in South Philadelphia and the Lower North Philadelphia. West Philadelphia is seeing gentrification as well but at a much slower pace. In my opinion, most of the crime will remain in the Upper North, Olney, Fern Rock sections and the Lower Northeast and Southwest Philadelphia as well. West Philadelphia may still have some rough parts for a couple of decades but eventually will be completely gentrified.

[frankgn87]

Originally Posted by Summersm343

Most of the NE is still in good shape... I believe only the lower northeast will decline to some extent. The Far Northeast will remain in good shape. The Northwest will also remain in good shape. In my opinion the most gentrification happening right now is in South Philadelphia and the Lower North Philadelphia. West Philadelphia is seeing gentrification as well but at a much slower pace. In my opinion, most of the crime will remain in the Upper North, Olney, Fern Rock sections and the Lower Northeast and Southwest Philadelphia as well. West Philadelphia may still have some rough parts for a couple of decades but eventually will be completely gentrified.

The far NE is OVERRUN by Russians. In fact we went to a large diagnostic center last year and ALL the signs in this large complex was in Russian , the tv shows was Russian, the staff all spoke Russian.. English was a second language. We were the ONLY Americans there. Sad.. The NE is dying slowly..

[FindingZen]

Originally Posted by frankgn87

The far NE is OVERRUN by Russians. In fact we went to a large diagnostic center last year and ALL the signs in this large complex was in Russian , the tv shows was Russian, the staff all spoke Russian.. English was a second language. We were the ONLY Americans there. Sad.. The NE is dying slowly..

Do you feel that the Russians are responsible for some of the uptick in crime in the NE? If so, then I can understand your concern. If not, then it is more a matter of cultural transition which, while important, is a topic for another thread.

[Marius Pontmercy]

Originally Posted by frankgn87

The far NE is OVERRUN by Russians. In fact we went to a large diagnostic center last year and ALL the signs in this large complex was in Russian , the tv shows was Russian, the staff all spoke Russian.. English was a second language. We were the ONLY Americans there. Sad.. The NE is dying slowly..

Of all the problems facing the NE the Russians aren't one of them.

[jtom605]

Originally Posted by Legendof302

How long will the gentrifrication take?

At this point, I do not think gentrification is needed in the Northeast. In my opinion, this only really needs to happen when a neighborhood has bottomed-out. Right now, most parts of the NE are relatively fine, with the exception of Frankford, Oxford Circle, Summerdale, and possibly one or two other areas. I doubt these areas will see any yuppies anytime soon because it seems the trend is favorable to urban living. The problem is that the NE is to0 far from Center City and not surbaban enough to appeal to those who like big houses and yards.

I think that residents of the NE and specifically the lower NE (like me) just need to band together to stop the ghetto from creeping up any further. That is the real hope for the NE. Unfortunately, the gentrification of areas closer to Center City could have an adverse affect on the NE. The people who made those areas crime-ridden aren't just disappearing.

[frankgn87]

Originally Posted by jtom605

I think that residents of the NE and specifically the lower NE (like me) just need to band together to stop the ghetto from creeping up any further. That is the real hope for the NE. Unfortunately, the gentrification of areas closer to Center City could have an adverse affect on the NE. The people who made those areas crime-ridden aren't just disappearing.

They are nice thought but how exactly do you intend to stop the "ghetto creep"? Its impossible.. You can't keep the ghetto rats out legally.

[Debbie1125]

Originally Posted by frankgn87

They are nice thought but how exactly do you intend to stop the "ghetto creep"? Its impossible.. You can't keep the ghetto rats out legally.

That's too bad. Maybe the lower Northeast neighborhoods like Frankford, Wissinoming and Tacony should have an advocate like Darrell Clarke. He doesn't want Temple students renting in the Yorktown section of North Philly.

Yet nothing can be done about Section 8 tenants, a majority of whom increase the more serious crimes, moving in.

I previously lived in Wissinoming and had to move because the street was becoming flooded with low life subsidized renters.

[tintin19119]

Originally Posted by Debbie1125

That's too bad. Maybe the lower Northeast neighborhoods like Frankford, Wissinoming and Tacony should have an advocate like Darrell Clarke. He doesn't want Temple students renting in the Yorktown section of North Philly.

Yet nothing can be done about Section 8 tenants, a majority of whom increase the more serious crimes, moving in.

I previously lived in Wissinoming and had to move because the street was becoming flooded with low life subsidized renters.

I try to be fair and open minded.That being said, I have to admit. Section 8 is a neighborhood killer.I lived in a neighborhood that went down because of section 8.I use to own a rental property and because I cared about the block,never rented to section 8.

[nephi215]

Originally Posted by jtom605

At this point, I do not think gentrification is needed in the Northeast. In my opinion, this only really needs to happen when a neighborhood has bottomed-out. Right now, most parts of the NE are relatively fine, with the exception of Frankford, Oxford Circle, Summerdale, and possibly one or two other areas. I doubt these areas will see any yuppies anytime soon because it seems the trend is favorable to urban living. The problem is that the NE is to0 far from Center City and not surbaban enough to appeal to those who like big houses and yards.

I think that residents of the NE and specifically the lower NE (like me) just need to band together to stop the ghetto from creeping up any further. That is the real hope for the NE. Unfortunately, the gentrification of areas closer to Center City could have an adverse affect on the NE. The people who made those areas crime-ridden aren't just disappearing.

As a resident of the lower northeast in particular the Frankford neighborhood, I can say the neighborhood has definitely seen better days. So has the oxford circle/summerdale/castor gardens area. But most of the lower northeast is relatively stable and I notice the lower northeast gets a lot better once you pass magee ave

[frankgn87]

Originally Posted by nephi215

As a resident of the lower northeast in particular the Frankford neighborhood, I can say the neighborhood has definitely seen better days. So has the oxford circle/summerdale/castor gardens area. But most of the lower northeast is relatively stable and I notice the lower northeast gets a lot better once you pass magee ave

over the last 5 years I personally know of 5 families or hard working, tax paying, law abiding citizens (including myself) who have bailed on this area and all moved to the burbs. Two in Jersey, one Jenkintown, one in Huntington valley and one in Rydal. And as long as the 'creep' is happening, the more this will happen, making the NE an extension of North Philly..