What parts of philly feel/look like one of the boroughs of New York? (Apollo: town, tower)

[l1995]

I think the biggest thing making NYC and Philly dissimilar is the lack of tenement style buildings in the latter

[l1995]

Originally Posted by kyb01

You bumped a five year old thread just to talk about a worn out topic. Lol

Why do you care? The forum allows old threads to be bumped for a reason

If this thread didn't interest you at all you wouldn't have entered it and posted a worn out comment

[BK_PHL_DEL]

Originally Posted by l1995

Why do you care? The forum allows old threads to be bumped for a reason

If this thread didn't interest you at all you wouldn't have entered it and posted a worn out comment

We care because Philly is its own city and nothing beneficial is gained by trying find areas here that compare to NYC. I now realize I wasted brain power by my own response upthread.

Originally Posted by l1995

I'm not saying that no comparison can be made, I just meant that I haven't personally seen anywhere in Philly yet that reminded me of NYC. The vibe overall is much different.

That's because NYC, while being 2x the land area of Philly, has 4x as many people. In other words, Philly has half the density of NYC. So of course, the vibe will be different here. You can see the difference just in the NYC city data forum topics vs the ones here. The NYC forum is basically undertoned racism, housing lottery, bashing DeBlazio, gentrifying neighborhoods. Philly threads are mostly (at the moment at least) people seeking advice about moving here.

[DavePa]

Originally Posted by BK_PHL_DEL

We care because Philly is its own city and nothing beneficial is gained by trying find areas here that compare to NYC. I now realize I wasted brain power by my own response upthread.

That's because NYC, while being 2x the land area of Philly, has 4x as many people. In other words, Philly has half the density of NYC. So of course, the vibe will be different here. You can see the difference just in the NYC city data forum topics vs the ones here. The NYC forum is basically undertoned racism, housing lottery, bashing DeBlazio, gentrifying neighborhoods. Philly threads are mostly (at the moment at least) people seeking advice about moving here.

Philadelphian's have a continuing .... luv/hate view in comparisons to NYC. They are elated if a New Yorker says it reminds them of NYC. But OMG do not say it isn't close on something and not give them close in vibe and urban feel to looks (but for tenements of over 4-stories)
They will ALWAYS
- use close proximity to NYC to boost its status in threads
- they have no issue if they are compared to NYC or something there they should try to emulate.... but don't suggest another cities assets they could emulate too? Usually not nearly as welcome.
- they are fine with NYC worthy of superiority on points. But other cities you will get Philly compares just as well.

Tenement-style building cast NYCs density to the stratosphere. Other cities saw no need for that level or in Chicago's case ..... did not want them as more a risk for fires. A result of changes because of 1/3 of the city burning once. In Philly's case .... less demand for multi-residential buildings. As it prided itself in ALL could afford a Philly row-home back in a day for housing over more apartments.

So really its this luv/hate of Philadelphians toward NYC that gains these exchanges of always the lessor and in its shadow. But if compared AS NYC in favorable attributes to it..... then its welcome. Philadelphians, certainly have ever right and reasons to have Pride in it BEING ITS OWN CITY TOO.

[kyb01]

Originally Posted by l1995

I think the biggest thing making NYC and Philly dissimilar is the lack of tenement style buildings in the latter

Correct. Phila. built thousands of individual row houses for working class people instead. The idea was so novel that a model of one was shown at the 1893 Chicago Worlds Fair .

[Pilot1]

Originally Posted by l1995

I think the biggest thing making NYC and Philly dissimilar is the lack of tenement style buildings in the latter

Agreed. Philly is more a city of row homes. Some of them, especially older ones are spectacular. I prefer Philly to NYC for this, and other reasons.

[Flyers Girl]

Originally Posted by DavePa

Tenement-style building cast NYCs density to the stratosphere. Other cities saw no need for that level or in Chicago's case ..... did not want them as more a risk for fires. A result of changes because of 1/3 of the city burning once. In Philly's case .... less demand for multi-residential buildings. As it prided itself in ALL could afford a Philly row-home back in a day for housing over more apartments.

Originally Posted by kyb01

Correct. Phila. built thousands of individual row houses for working class people instead. The idea was so novel that a model of one was shown at the 1893 Chicago Worlds Fair .

Originally Posted by Pilot1

Agreed. Philly is more a city of row homes. Some of them, especially older ones are spectacular. I prefer Philly to NYC for this, and other reasons.

I will chime in to say that this is what makes Philly so very attractive to me. I also think it has a HUGE influence on the level of transience in our city versus NYC. Not saying that Philly doesn't have non-natives living here, but I'd venture to say that NYC has a much higher percentage of non-natives living there.

[kyb01]

Originally Posted by Pilot1

Agreed. Philly is more a city of row homes. Some of them, especially older ones are spectacular. I prefer Philly to NYC for this, and other reasons.

Absolutely. Phila. built more row houses than any other city in America, afaik. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 300, 000 over time. Even today, most of the new infill houses are row houses.

I've been to the Tenement Museum in NY which is in an old 19th century tenement in the Lower East Side of Manhattan. Immigrants families jammed , if they were lucky, into 2 rooms. Contrast that with having an entire 2 story house, the simplest ,with a real kitchen and bathroom with indoor pumbling.

There were tenements in Phila. but it's a model of housing that didn't catch on whether because there wasn't enough density to require it or greedy landlords had another focus.

[2e1m5a]

Originally Posted by kyb01

Absolutely. Phila. built more row houses than any other city in America, afaik. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 300, 000 over time. Even today, most of the new infill houses are row houses.

I've been to the Tenement Museum in NY which is in an old 19th century tenement in the Lower East Side of Manhattan. Immigrants families jammed , if they were lucky, into 2 rooms. Contrast that with having an entire 2 story house, the simplest ,with a real kitchen and bathroom with indoor pumbling.

There were tenements in Phila. but it's a model of housing that didn't catch on whether because there wasn't enough density to require it or greedy landlords had another focus.

Yep, and of course Philly was once called "The City of Homes". I too prefer rowhomes over NYC style tenements/apartments. I think rowhomes are the best type of urban housing-both the home itself and streetlife/vibrancy they can foster.

It is rare to own in NYC without paying "co-op fees" and other crap.

[2e1m5a]

Originally Posted by l1995

The area by Temple University feels nothing like Harlem!

Well, I just said it was an interesting comparison-which I still think it is. The Apollo and The Uptown Theater on Broad St can draw some comparisons.