Convince me on Philly (Philadelphia, Pittsburgh: crime rate, dangerous, bars)

[frankgn87]

Originally Posted by Marius Pontmercy

Suburbs can easily become ghettos. The idea that suburbs will always have high housing values is naive. Look at any collection of older inner ring suburbs that have become "ghetto" in the last twenty or so years as an example. Areas will see their home prices rise and fall based on demand. A specific address does not ensure a high home value. This is why a region of the city like Graduate Hospital went from working class almost 80 years ago, to absolute poverty with worthless housing stock only thirty years ago, to a neighborhood where houses can commonly sell for $300,000 and up today; its all based on demand which changes over time. If and when a suburban region sees a drop off in demand for buying homes it will see a comparative decrease in prices. If people decide they want to move back, prices will go back up. I've always said if you want to tell whether a neighborhood is doing well or not, look at the real estate prices. Also, Philadelphia generally has higher taxes than the suburbs, but its all a ghetto according to some, so why is it that?

Name me ONE true suburban area that is a North Philly ghetto.. Just One

Philly has higher taxes the the burbs?? Higher taxes + city wage and horrible public schools?? bad combo

[ElijahAstin]

Originally Posted by frankgn87

ooops sorry. Penn is in a whole nother league then Temple..

Not the point I was trying to make.

Originally Posted by frankgn87

Those area may have fallen from grace but ghettos they are not.. North Philly is a ghetto. BIG difference

Define "true suburban area." If your definition is an auto-centric, post-war, prefab bedroom community, then the majority of quite a few nice inner suburbs (Lower Merion, Haverford, Cheltenham, Haddonfield, etc.) do not qualify. But much of Willingboro, along with increasing portions of Bensalem and Pennsauken are well on their way to ghetto-dom. Of course, it will take some time before these, and some other areas, drop to North Philadelphia's level, but don't think it's strictly impossible.

[frankgn87]

Originally Posted by HeavenWood

Not the point I was trying to make.


Define "true suburban area." If your definition is an auto-centric, post-war, prefab bedroom community, then the majority of quite a few nice inner suburbs (Lower Merion, Haverford, Cheltenham, Haddonfield, etc.) do not qualify. But much of Willingboro, along with increasing portions of Bensalem and Pennsauken are well on their way to ghetto-dom. Of course, it will take some time before these, and some other areas, drop to North Philadelphia's level, but don't think it's strictly impossible.

Willingboro, Bensalem and Pennsauken, though no Haddonfield, are ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE to a ghetto. Oh Lord you are so far off.. All three of those areas put together don't have 1/2 the crime North Philly has

[thunderkat59]

Philly has entered the realm of Newark or Camden, overall. I suppose you can find some comparison to any major urban area to any other, but overall, if I had to live in the city proper, there would be no comparison. DC ~ period. Philly is propped up by ridiculous taxes--Mont Co, Chesco, Bryn Mawr and other Main Line areas. If there was ever an exodus from the outlying regions, whats left of it it would implode upon itself.

[ElijahAstin]

Originally Posted by frankgn87

Willingboro, Bensalem and Pennsauken, though no Haddonfield, are ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE to a ghetto. Oh Lord you are so far off.. All three of those areas put together don't have 1/2 the crime North Philly has

Give it time. At the rate they're declining, it won't be terribly long.

[ElijahAstin]

Originally Posted by thunderkat59

Philly has entered the realm of Newark or Camden, overall. I suppose you can find some comparison to any major urban area to any other, but overall, if I had to live in the city proper, there would be no comparison. DC ~ period. Philly is propped up by ridiculous taxes--Mont Co, Chesco, Bryn Mawr and other Main Line areas. If there was ever an exodus from the outlying regions, whats left of it it would implode upon itself.

Sounds like you haven't visited in a very long while.

[frankgn87]

Originally Posted by HeavenWood

Give it time. At the rate they're declining, it won't be terribly long.

sounds you like you have visited those areas in a very long while..

[ElijahAstin]

Originally Posted by frankgn87

sounds you like you have visited those areas in a very long while..

Philly does not predominantly resemble Newark, much less Camden.

And I just played golf in Willingboro. There were bars on half the windows of the homes surrounding the course. It's not in good shape.

[frankgn87]

btw- all three of the areas which include Willingboro, Bensalem and Pennsauken have a total of 160 violent crimes a year.. North Philly has more then double that in one area..

[thunderkat59]

I shook hands with the great Frank Rizzo in the 70's, had season tickets to the Eagles in the 700 level--left in early 2000's.
Go back regularly. In great philly tradition, you wont agree, thats fine.

Philly is not what it used to be.