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Old 09-04-2015, 03:06 AM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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On a side note, until Philly gets rid of these degenerate homeless people, retail will stay the same. No one wants to see it outside a store and it's a bad look. Philly needs to clean this up ASAP.
If the retailers smell enough money, they'll overlook them.

Market Street in San Francisco had plenty of those "degenerate" homeless people too, and I walked past my share along Washington Avenue in Miami Beach as well.

The development that's taking place now, including the boutique type, is happening with folks begging for change in doorways.

You might want to get some suggestions from Sister Mary Scullion.
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Old 09-04-2015, 03:07 AM
 
Location: East Central Pennsylvania/ Chicago for 6yrs.
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chain retailers rarely build their own spaces. they typically lease existing spaces or new ones that commercial developers build and pitch to them.
It is irreverent though, if they build a whole store from scratch. Like I have seen in a certain city. Totally rip down their building of decades and rebuild a new one. Latest one was a Burberry's. Some moved across the street from their original building of decades, and have a new store on one side of the block. With smaller retailers in the middle, and another major one on the other end of the block.

Of course, if in a mixed use Tower. Probably leased. But it was more about size of store they desire. To call it another Flagship store. On streets with long established older buildings. That would not or could not be altered or ripped down for one. It can be more difficult to find that right location.

Why when a new Skyscraper is built. It might be the best bet for one of the Big Gun Retailers. Others have pointed out other cities with high-end stores on smaller streets. Yes the Jeweler's and Boutique sized ones normally. Not a Saks's or Neiman-Marcus or Bloomingdales. But could be exceptions? On most things there is.

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Not really. In dense areas like Philly/Washington/New York, if the LL is sitting on the gold, they have the power. Retailers will pony up for A real estate in tight markets (IE: As-Is deals, no allowance). Hefty investment but high risk/reward scenario.

On a side note, until Philly gets rid of these degenerate homeless people, retail will stay the same. No one wants to see it outside a store and it's a bad look. Philly needs to clean this up ASAP.
Yes.... like I said Tax breaks and deals. Still are needed to lure some. Once they are profitable. Others will want a piece too and pay the price. Philly's Chestnut and Walnut streets still have one of the highest per Sq./Ft. Cost in the nation. So to lease even is high. The big Malls by Philly. Are proven to be profitable for them and cheaper I would think.

Some cities have their hands tied now with homeless. They just can't have morning police moving a homeless person just sitting on a street. Maybe a Park or bench yes. But it surely does not look good. I have seen a increase in Chicago on my visits of Homeless on Michigan Ave Shopping mile. Apparently some laws prevent just moving them. Always beggars now by the Fashionable stores. But they are already well established Retail Blocks already.
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Old 09-04-2015, 08:02 AM
 
Location: NYC based - Used to Live in Philly - Transplant from Miami
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Not really. In dense areas like Philly/Washington/New York, if the LL is sitting on the gold, they have the power. Retailers will pony up for A real estate in tight markets (IE: As-Is deals, no allowance). Hefty investment but high risk/reward scenario.


On a side note, until Philly gets rid of these degenerate homeless people, retail will stay the same. No one wants to see it outside a store and it's a bad look. Philly needs to clean this up ASAP.
While I agree there is a homeless problem in Philadelphia, I think it is not related to retail scene and why retailers are not willing to come. After all, usually high-end retail (and apparently most middle and affordable class retailers in Walnut) hire security guards.
The security guard always make sure the homeless do not sit in front of their stores.

Side note:
One security guard that appears brutal but very sweet IRL is the one working for Vince.
I never saw any homeless sit in front of its store at both sides of the street.
However ALDO nearby do not have any security. There is this homeless dude who always holds this sign "I am going back to work on Monday but I don't have decent shoes to wear". But he has been doing that for 3 months now. (So when is he going to go to work then?). I gave him money once but since then I always gave him a sharp look anytime I passed by.
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Old 09-04-2015, 09:02 AM
 
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On a side note, until Philly gets rid of these degenerate homeless people, retail will stay the same. No one wants to see it outside a store and it's a bad look. Philly needs to clean this up ASAP.
I'm not making excuses... But have you ever been to San Francisco or LA?! We barely have a homeless problem in Philly.

Some of the most aggressive homeless I've ever encountered were in DC right near the Mall.
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Old 09-04-2015, 11:03 AM
 
Location: New York City
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I figured I would post this here since this is a very active thread, I will probably get yelled at the MODs but o well.

Philly's Hottest New Bar Becomes Gentrification Battleground - Citified


This is a new popup restaurant in Point Breeze, "le bok Fin" on top of the closed Bok Technical High School. I ate here last week, it was a lot of fun, very relaxed and incredible city views. But this is again creating an eruption of battles over gentrification... what are some of your opinions? Since we seem to have old and young posters on here.
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Old 09-04-2015, 12:24 PM
 
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I figured I would post this here since this is a very active thread, I will probably get yelled at the MODs but o well.

Philly's Hottest New Bar Becomes Gentrification Battleground - Citified


This is a new popup restaurant in Point Breeze, "le bok Fin" on top of the closed Bok Technical High School. I ate here last week, it was a lot of fun, very relaxed and incredible city views. But this is again creating an eruption of battles over gentrification... what are some of your opinions? Since we seem to have old and young posters on here.
My current hairstylist went there. The training she got helped her become the entrepreneur she is today. I'm not sure that would have happened without that school.

I'm not opposed to gentrification, as a rule, but I don't think newcomers, who emerge in gentrified areas, actually care about the people that they've displaced.

Be honest. Did you think at all about the hundreds of students who went there from the Depression, until just recently, who gained the skills that were needed in Phila.'s older economy?
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Old 09-04-2015, 12:40 PM
 
Location: New York City
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My current hairstylist went there. The training she got helped her become the entrepreneur she is today. I'm not sure that would have happened without that school.

I'm not opposed to gentrification, as a rule, but I don't think newcomers, who emerge in gentrified areas, actually care about the people that they've displaced.

Be honest. Did you think at all about the hundreds of students who went there from the Depression, until just recently, who gained the skills that were needed in Phila.'s older economy?
But on the contrary, the new restaurant and eventual re-use of the building have nothing to do with the closure of the school. The PSD closed the school 2 years ago with no plans to re-open. So the building can either sit vacant or we can look forward to the future and find new uses for it.

I've been confused how this new re-use along with the Point Breeze beer garden are so strongly opposed, so much that the beer garden was unfairly shut down twice. Yet PHA who has a record for ruining neighborhoods and letting properties fall derelict throughout the city can snatch over 1000 properties (some occupied) without much opposition. I don't think this has anything to due with the respect for the school, but more so people who are afraid of change.

Sorry for getting off topic in the thread.
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Old 09-04-2015, 01:21 PM
 
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But on the contrary, the new restaurant and eventual re-use of the building have nothing to do with the closure of the school. The PSD closed the school 2 years ago with no plans to re-open. So the building can either sit vacant or we can look forward to the future and find new uses for it.

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The mod will yell at us for getting off topic. But... I will try to sneak this... We agree more than we disagree and I was quite specific about saying I'm not opposed the gentrification. However I asked if you care about some of the people that end up being displaced by the process of gentrification overall. Give me an honest answer.
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Old 09-04-2015, 01:47 PM
 
Location: The City
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The mod will yell at us for getting off topic. But... I will try to sneak this... We agree more than we disagree and I was quite specific about saying I'm not opposed the gentrification. However I asked if you care about some of the people that end up being displaced by the process of gentrification overall. Give me an honest answer.

what Philly could do a better job of is larger scale projects that dedicate lower income or subsidized housing the either or does not have to be

Philly is behind in redevelopment but at bigger issues is attracting new jobs and better schools no amount of retail or new residential can overcome or sustain anything longer term


On displacement, sure but nothing will be perfect but better balance can be achieved.

I think philly thinks small from projects down to residents and its an issue on many fronts.
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Old 09-05-2015, 01:44 AM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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I figured I would post this here since this is a very active thread, I will probably get yelled at the MODs but o well.

Philly's Hottest New Bar Becomes Gentrification Battleground - Citified


This is a new popup restaurant in Point Breeze, "le bok Fin" on top of the closed Bok Technical High School. I ate here last week, it was a lot of fun, very relaxed and incredible city views. But this is again creating an eruption of battles over gentrification... what are some of your opinions? Since we seem to have old and young posters on here.
It's not in Point Breeze; it's at 8th and McKean, or Moore; it's in East Passyunk Crossing, I think.

I missed the UrbanGeekDrinks there.

The "controversy" looks to me like a grudge and not real community opposition. The only legit question i see off that flyer is: Did the School District get as much as it could for its asset or did it give a developer's daughter a sweetheart deal?

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what Philly could do a better job of is larger scale projects that dedicate lower income or subsidized housing the either or does not have to be

Philly is behind in redevelopment but at bigger issues is attracting new jobs and better schools no amount of retail or new residential can overcome or sustain anything longer term


On displacement, sure but nothing will be perfect but better balance can be achieved.

I think philly thinks small from projects down to residents and its an issue on many fronts.
I haven't the foggiest what you mean by this.

What works is integration - race, class, socioeconomic. That means injecting middle-class people and above into poor areas and housing some of the poor in middle- and upper-middle-class neighborhoods.

It does not mean what the PHA is doing in Sharswood right now, which another poster alluded to upthread.

But enough about that. We can start a housing thread if we want to discuss that. Back to retail.
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