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Old 04-25-2015, 01:28 PM
 
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I agree. Why do these retailers always pass Philly and always think that we only deserve outlets?
My frustration is that THERE ARE clients for these brands in Philly and beyond. I, my partner and my friends, as well as my clients are some of them. And I am positive there are more out there.
When Alexander Wang did a collab with H&M, people from darn Buck County even lined up to get a dip on Chestnut Street H&M store. This means that these suburbanites know Alexander Wang. So why H&M only picked up ONE H & M store to sell the products (which were all gone in 2 hours in Chestnut location) while there are MULTIPLE H & M in PA?
Meanwhile my friends in NY and Miami did not have to line up in one H & M stores, since 2 or 3 of the stores carried the lines. It shows how H & M underestimates the buying power of residents of PA and Philly specifically.
And I agree with cpomp. Give us a full-blown Bloomie dammit! We don't need no more stinkin' Bloomie outlets, that is just like Nordtsrom Rack. It carries 80% of its merchandise made specifically for outlet.
There's still the view that the city is exactly the way it was 40 years ago. Only filled with folks who are like the characters in Rocky. That the city only has shoppers who would be content with outlets.

And once again it's the proximity to NYC that skews so much of our retail picture. Plus KOP has been so successful that retailers just think of it automatically. It's easy for them. No need to actually research how some of the demographics in the city have changed.

Then there are our idiotic/provincial local politicians who don't see any advantage in fighting for this stuff.
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Old 04-25-2015, 01:32 PM
 
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I lived most of my life in Cherry Hill but usually worked in Philly as well as going to college in Center City. I usually did my shopping in Center City or Haddonfield. I'm female.

When Rouse proposed the Gallery many people wanted it built using the facades of the circa 1820s buildings that were on the site. Rouse was a suburban developer. He wanted to take the wrecking ball to them. He got his way because he was going to bring mall retailers into the city who didn't want a whole storefront.

I remember the day that the mall opened. It was good that it was a first, but I always wished that the old facades were still there. It changed Market East. It was good & bad at the same time.
It wasn't just Rouse, it was the Strawbridge patriarch, G Stockton Strawbridge, who also pushed it.
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Old 04-25-2015, 03:25 PM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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It wasn't just Rouse, it was the Strawbridge patriarch, G Stockton Strawbridge, who also pushed it.
I remember that the push for the Gallery was retail lost to the Cherry Hill Mall. They never understood that Cherry Hill residents regularly bypassed the mall to shop in Center City.

I thought that the old buildings should have stayed as a mall facade. I agreed with the people who wanted that. The object of the game was to compete with the Cherry Hill Mall so that's why they wanted Rouse who was not an urban developer.
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Old 04-25-2015, 03:29 PM
 
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I agree. Why do these retailers always pass Philly and always think that we only deserve outlets?
My frustration is that THERE ARE clients for these brands in Philly and beyond. I, my partner and my friends, as well as my clients are some of them. And I am positive there are more out there.
When Alexander Wang did a collab with H&M, people from darn Buck County even lined up to get a dip on Chestnut Street H&M store. This means that these suburbanites know Alexander Wang. So why H&M only picked up ONE H & M store to sell the products (which were all gone in 2 hours in Chestnut location) while there are MULTIPLE H & M in PA?
Meanwhile my friends in NY and Miami did not have to line up in one H & M stores, since 2 or 3 of the stores carried the lines. It shows how H & M underestimates the buying power of residents of PA and Philly specifically.
And I agree with cpomp. Give us a full-blown Bloomie dammit! We don't need no more stinkin' Bloomie outlets, that is just like Nordtsrom Rack. It carries 80% of its merchandise made specifically for outlet.
What I am a little nervous about is how the KoP expansion may hinder CC retail alittle.

There are a lot of mall rumors swirling about Prada, Dior, Penguin, Zara #2 and Ben Sherman if they make an entrance in KoP they certainly wont be entering CC then.

So its your pick of where you would rather have that type of store.

There also is possibility that KoP might take more of a dining route and have a grand selection of upscale eateries which would free up some of the tenants to perhaps look in Philly.
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Old 04-25-2015, 04:39 PM
 
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What I am a little nervous about is how the KoP expansion may hinder CC retail alittle.

There are a lot of mall rumors swirling about Prada, Dior, Penguin, Zara #2 and Ben Sherman if they make an entrance in KoP they certainly wont be entering CC then.

So its your pick of where you would rather have that type of store.

There also is possibility that KoP might take more of a dining route and have a grand selection of upscale eateries which would free up some of the tenants to perhaps look in Philly.
I would wager that these high end retailers think that KOP IS their "Philadelphia" location. So they don't consider actually crossing the border into the city. KOP is in the Philly metro so that is good enough in their eyes. Sigh. It's infuriating.

You all probably know that KOP started as a low end discount, outside, strip shopping center. It didn't start as a mall like Cherry Hill did.
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Old 04-25-2015, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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I would wager that these high end retailers think that KOP IS their "Philadelphia" location. So they don't consider actually crossing the border into the city. KOP is in the Philly metro so that is good enough in their eyes. Sigh. It's infuriating.

You all probably know that KOP started as a low end discount, outside, strip shopping center. It didn't start as a mall like Cherry Hill did.
I wouldn't call it "discount" with Gimbels (what later became JCPenney) as an anchor, with Wanamakers added in short order. And wasn't Sears an original tenant? In the mid-1960s, those would have been mid-market stores. Sears still is, even if it's lost touch with the market.
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Old 04-25-2015, 05:29 PM
 
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I would wager that these high end retailers think that KOP IS their "Philadelphia" location. So they don't consider actually crossing the border into the city. KOP is in the Philly metro so that is good enough in their eyes. Sigh. It's infuriating.

You all probably know that KOP started as a low end discount, outside, strip shopping center. It didn't start as a mall like Cherry Hill did.
I'd bet that you're right on the Philadelphia location theory. I think that a lot of people who make decisions for locations aren't looking at things the way they used to. Center City was central. Philadelphia is not as auto-centric as many other larger metros & they just don't understand that.

I wonder how many of us actually remember when the Cherry Hill Mall was the largest mall in the country. It drew shoppers from Baltimore.
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Old 04-25-2015, 08:03 PM
 
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I wouldn't call it "discount" with Gimbels (what later became JCPenney) as an anchor, with Wanamakers added in short order. And wasn't Sears an original tenant?
Interesting. It's unfortunate but I've read that the Gimbels (now Boscov's) at Granite Run Mall was built to attract the rich from north of that mall, but in reality ended up attracting the poor from south of the mall. I figure this also happened with the Gimbels in the Gallery, which would explain why Clover and Kmart ended up there.

And surprisingly, John Wanamaker thought of its own demise as having been largely caused by Bamberger's (the first chain in Greater Philly that Macy's bought and renamed, bringing Macy's to Greater Philly for the first time, almost 30 years ago) even though Bamberger's was definitely a step or two down on the quality/luxury ladder. Ironically, John Wanamaker in name outlived Bamberger's but the John Wanamaker stores wound up as Hecht's, then Strawbridge's, and ultimately Macy's.

Sears was NOT originally at King of Prussia Mall. But JCPenney was, and at the time, that chain had hardware, tools, auto service, etc just like Sears or the now-extinct Montgomery Ward. The original JCPenney there was demolished long ago for a mall expansion, once they moved to the Gimbels building. Around the same time, a Thrift Drug (this chain was owned by JCPenney) was added to the mall, which soon ended up Eckerd after JCPenney bought that chain, and then became a Rite Aid after Eckerd called it quits (after a few miserable years of being owned by an investment firm).

The Sears in King of Prussia opened in the early 80's (and I think was remodeled in the 90's at some point), replacing a Sears from the early 50's in Norristown.
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Old 04-25-2015, 08:56 PM
 
Location: NYC based - Used to Live in Philly - Transplant from Miami
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I would wager that these high end retailers think that KOP IS their "Philadelphia" location. So they don't consider actually crossing the border into the city. KOP is in the Philly metro so that is good enough in their eyes. Sigh. It's infuriating.

You all probably know that KOP started as a low end discount, outside, strip shopping center. It didn't start as a mall like Cherry Hill did.
I did not know that! Interesting tid bits!
It is similar to Aventura Mall in Miami. IT was a worse mall and now it is competing with Kop.
Ay if I only were a millionaire, I would do something this situation - put something nice on East Market and Gallery.
although if I am not mistaken Mayor Nutter et al actually pitched and promoted Philadelphia in retail convention (or whatever they call it) last year.
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Old 04-26-2015, 03:22 AM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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Two comments on the more recent replies:

--"another stinkin' Bloomie's outlet": where's the first one? We've had three full-line stores in the 'burbs for ages now, but I don't recall their opening an outlet store hereabouts, not even at Philadelphia Mills, which IIRC has an Off 5th.

--the Macy's/Bamberger's relationship: Newark-based Bamberger's was Macy's first acquisition; it became Macy's New Jersey division in 1946. Macy's expanded the division into the Greater Philadelphia market when it opened a store in the Cherry Hill Mall in 1961. Surely I'm not the only one who remembers the ads after the renaming that bore the legend, "Bamberger's takes the family name."
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