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Old 05-02-2015, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Montco PA
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I suspect that retailers frequently picking King of Prussia over Center City boils down to ignorance of the area & geography in general. They are aiming for money on the Main Line. They are writing off or ignorant of money in the city & South Jersey.

Since KOP went upscale I have known of people who could afford to shop in those stores who deliberately avoid them because they live in the city or South Jersey & their attitude is that those stores don't want their business because of the location. it's pretty simple. People in Haddonfield or Moorestown don't want to go to King of Prussia, but they would go to Center City.
Retailers are generally very aware of where they locate. They do plenty of studies. You just like to bring up South Jersey all the time. I highly doubt high-end retailers are saying to themselves "let's locate in an area far away from South Jersey." Many of the high-end retailers in KOP also have locations in Cherry Hill, and there are some high-end retailers who locate in CH first.

Are you actually saying people in South Jersey get offended when certain retailers locate in KOP? Retail locations often come down to demographics, and the suburban area with the best access to customers with cash to burn on overpriced status crap is KOP.
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Old 05-02-2015, 01:02 PM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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Retailers are generally very aware of where they locate. They do plenty of studies. You just like to bring up South Jersey all the time. I highly doubt high-end retailers are saying to themselves "let's locate in an area far away from South Jersey." Many of the high-end retailers in KOP also have locations in Cherry Hill, and there are some high-end retailers who locate in CH first.

Are you actually saying people in South Jersey get offended when certain retailers locate in KOP? Retail locations often come down to demographics, and the suburban area with the best access to customers with cash to burn on overpriced status crap is KOP.
I have known people from Haddonfield who have been very offended when certain retailers have gone to King of Prussia. That's reality, not just looking to type South Jersey for no good reason. Those same people have said to me that they would not have minded going to Center City but don't want to mess with driving the Schuylkill.

I stand by my thought that people who make some of these decisions make them out of ignorance.
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Old 05-02-2015, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Center City
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Old 05-02-2015, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Montco PA
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I have known people from Haddonfield who have been very offended when certain retailers have gone to King of Prussia. That's reality, not just looking to type South Jersey for no good reason. Those same people have said to me that they would not have minded going to Center City but don't want to mess with driving the Schuylkill.

I stand by my thought that people who make some of these decisions make them out of ignorance.
I get that people in Haddonfield wouldn't want to drive to KOP but why were the people you know offended by that?
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Old 05-02-2015, 04:48 PM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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I get that people in Haddonfield wouldn't want to drive to KOP but why were the people you know offended by that?
One more time. . .a centrally located store in center city would have been patronized by these people.

They found the Kings of Prussia location offensive because the retailer opened one location & it was not centrally located. I've said it enough times, especially since you took a swipe at me for posting something which in my experience is the truth.
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Old 05-02-2015, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Montco PA
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One more time. . .a centrally located store in center city would have been patronized by these people.

They found the Kings of Prussia location offensive because the retailer opened one location & it was not centrally located. I've said it enough times, especially since you took a swipe at me for posting something which in my experience is the truth.
I get all of that. What I am scratching my head at it the use of the word "offense," as if the people in South Jersey feel personally demeaned and degraded by a retailer locating two counties over.
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Old 05-02-2015, 06:02 PM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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I get all of that. What I am scratching my head at it the use of the word "offense," as if the people in South Jersey feel personally demeaned and degraded by a retailer locating two counties over.
Have you grilled the Philadelphia posters who don't like single locations in the suburbs? Those are their opinions. I posted an opinion that I have heard from several people & you want to grill me. I accepted their comments as their opinion & I did not grill them as we were all responsible adults. I'm not revisiting this with you. Accept it or not. I don't care. I don't think that these stores should be going into Cherry Hill or King of Prussia if it's a single location in the metro.
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Old 05-02-2015, 08:26 PM
 
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I would disagree with that.
If the company is revamping and changing the direction where it is going, yes. COACH is one of the example. Michael Kors will follow suit in several years.
But per my experience, they are opening new and new stores.
Good example will be the new Tom Ford store in Miami.
I'm talking about in center city.
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Old 05-03-2015, 08:12 AM
 
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I agree with you. But also it shows that retailers think PA only need one high-end / middle class shopping destination. It translates that they feel that people in PA do not have the buying power. Either that or the proximity to Manhattan makes them think twice to open a store down in PA.
Again in Miami, they have several shopping districts with luxury retailer:
1. Design District: Louboutin, Tom Ford, Burberry, Hermes, Dior, Gucci, Rick Owens, etc.
2. Aventura Mall: Burberry, Diesel, AllSaints, Gucci, Louis Vuitton, etc.
3. Lincon Road + Collins Ave.
4. Merrick PArk.
In addition, stores that are consider "high -end" in Walnut are staples stores in regular Miami malls (Dadeland, etc). Armani Exchange is one of them.

So for example, Miami as the city herself has 3 Burberry (although only one has the Prorsum line), why the whole entire PA state has only ONE Burberry?

Anyway, I am so tired talking about this thing LOL. At the end, we commoners can only argue so much. At the end, the 1% is in charge of everything.
Proximity to NYC really trumps a lot. There's no way around it, obviously. And NYC is easier, cheaper, to get to than ever. Bolt Bus runs from Philly to NYC can make it in 90 minutes.
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Old 05-03-2015, 08:57 AM
 
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I agree with you. But also it shows that retailers think PA only need one high-end / middle class shopping destination. It translates that they feel that people in PA do not have the buying power. Either that or the proximity to Manhattan makes them think twice to open a store down in PA.
Again in Miami, they have several shopping districts with luxury retailer:
1. Design District: Louboutin, Tom Ford, Burberry, Hermes, Dior, Gucci, Rick Owens, etc.
2. Aventura Mall: Burberry, Diesel, AllSaints, Gucci, Louis Vuitton, etc.
3. Lincon Road + Collins Ave.
4. Merrick PArk.
In addition, stores that are consider "high -end" in Walnut are staples stores in regular Miami malls (Dadeland, etc). Armani Exchange is one of them.

So for example, Miami as the city herself has 3 Burberry (although only one has the Prorsum line), why the whole entire PA state has only ONE Burberry?

Anyway, I am so tired talking about this thing LOL. At the end, we commoners can only argue so much. At the end, the 1% is in charge of everything.
FYI, there's an old thread on the city-vs-city board that links a report about the top 5 luxury retail cities:

NYC
Chicago
Lax Vegas
Miami
San Francisico
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