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Old 02-17-2019, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Did the weed deal involve a white kid and black kid?
Yes, a white kid shot a black kid who was trying to burn him on a weed deal.


It's one of the very few times (if only time) that will happen in the Philadelphia area this year.
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Old 02-17-2019, 04:29 PM
 
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Did the weed deal involve a white kid and black kid?

Also, this motorcycle gang story is ridiculous. Police can't do anything? Not buying that. I just saw one of these gang rides in Center City a couple weeks ago.

Problem is if these riders injure or kill a pedestrian or do the same for other drivers.

Obviously one of these riders can easily be killed; then what? The city's fault for tolerating it.
I don't know. I heard it on kyw-1060 and nothing else.
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Old 02-17-2019, 04:36 PM
 
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There were just polls. The studies, like the one cited, came afterwards, largely because the pollsters wanted to know what they blew and how they blew it.

And I think it worth repeating that Trump won the election in the Electoral College, and then only because he won three states, including this one, by razor-thin margins. Had the election been determined strictly by national popular vote, Hillary Clinton would indeed occupy the White House now.
Funny thing is if I stray from thread topics my posts will get deleted by Too Busy just about every time. But a couple of you guys are making post after post about stuff that belongs on the Politics board. It even woke up DavePA who, funnily, has made himself an honorary Philadelphian. Lol.
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Old 02-17-2019, 04:37 PM
 
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Tbh, stopped reading after the first sentence.

Study after study showed trump couldn’t get the republican nomination and even more study and study and poll after poll showed trump couldn’t beat Hillary Clinton and win the White House...
Of course you did. That’s why trump loves the uneducated. They’re so resistant to facts. I cited post-election studies not polls. This may come as a shock to you, but polling and studies are two completely different endeavors. The fact is that racial resentment has been shown repeatedly to be the primary motivating factor for Trump voters. You just don’t get the kind of highly replicated results without statistical validity.

Trump voters are by far the group of people most likely to think that white people are the group suffering from the greatest amount of discrimination in the US. That one item is the most predictive characteristic of a Trump voter.
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Old 02-17-2019, 05:25 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Of course you did. That’s why trump loves the uneducated. They’re so resistant to facts. I cited post-election studies not polls. This may come as a shock to you, but polling and studies are two completely different endeavors. The fact is that racial resentment has been shown repeatedly to be the primary motivating factor for Trump voters. You just don’t get the kind of highly replicated results without statistical validity.
Where in the study does it explain why these voters who are mainly motivated by racial resentment didn't turn out to vote against Obama?

Because when I look at what happened in the election there were a whole bunch of states that Obama won easily and probably would have even taken a third time, yet Trump beat Hillary Clinton.

Apparently a complete and total coincidence going on at the same time (but in a completely different dimension or realm of reality????) was the fact that Clinton and the main of the Democratic party have specific views about specific important issues (especially being pro-globalization and pro-war) that are now viewed as obnoxious by enough middle Americans that an election was swayed.


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Trump voters are by far the group of people most likely to think that white people are the group suffering from the greatest amount of discrimination in the US. That one item is the most predictive characteristic of a Trump voter.
Race has been a factor in American elections since pretty much the beginning. If you don't believe me look at the original article one section two of the U.S. constitution.

Your characterization is of a certain (perhaps large) segment of Republicans in general. Replace Trump with Romney, McCain, Bush....it would be the same. It's not a Trump specific phenomenon. Had Cruz won the primary most of these people would have voted for Cruz and still would have thought white people are discriminated against. I don't necessarily know how to change this.

But casting Trump as a villain and everyone who voted for him as a villain motivated by villainy is probably not going to win over many people to the Democratic party, especially if they don't budge on important issues (that btw, Obama was smart enough to pay lip service to).
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Old 02-17-2019, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Of course you did. That’s why trump loves the uneducated. They’re so resistant to facts. I cited post-election studies not polls. This may come as a shock to you, but polling and studies are two completely different endeavors. The fact is that racial resentment has been shown repeatedly to be the primary motivating factor for Trump voters. You just don’t get the kind of highly replicated results without statistical validity.

Trump voters are by far the group of people most likely to think that white people are the group suffering from the greatest amount of discrimination in the US. That one item is the most predictive characteristic of a Trump voter.
Yet, the Democratic Party is still the party fueled by the uneducated, ignorant, ghetto-dwelling welfare-class.
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Old 02-17-2019, 05:53 PM
 
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Yet, the Democratic Party is still the party fueled by the uneducated, ignorant, ghetto-dwelling welfare-class.
This rhetoric, can get extreme on both sides. Welfare has no race. Come to my olé hometown in still depressed old cities in Central PA .... I'll show you plenty of White welfare recipients too. But new racially mixed transplants too. Cheaper COL.

When the Eagle sh!ts (commonly called when welfare, disability and SS checks come out). You know it with empty shelves at the WallyWorld ....

I do NOT begrudge them as many have issues. Personal, mental, physical, obesity, health, to slower workers hired and fired or not a look most will hire.

Yes some fully take advantage. But it isn't a RACE thing in realty .... as being perpetrated by some. Yes new transplants tend to be poor and even welfare recipients from the city. But good safe newer schools. Surely they desire for their school -age children. Yes many locals are not happiest with it. Still pretty right and Redneck. But I get along fine in the local clubs. But no matter what. I'm a home boy there.
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Old 02-17-2019, 05:59 PM
 
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Where in the study does it explain why these voters who are mainly motivated by racial resentment didn't turn out to vote against Obama?

Because when I look at what happened in the election there were a whole bunch of states that Obama won easily and probably would have even taken a third time, yet Trump beat Hillary Clinton.

Apparently a complete and total coincidence going on at the same time (but in a completely different dimension or realm of reality????) was the fact that Clinton and the main of the Democratic party have specific views about specific important issues (especially being pro-globalization and pro-war) that are now viewed as obnoxious by enough middle Americans that an election was swayed.


Race has been a factor in American elections since pretty much the beginning. If you don't believe me look at the original article one section two of the U.S. constitution.

Your characterization is of a certain (perhaps large) segment of Republicans in general. Replace Trump with Romney, McCain, Bush....it would be the same. It's not a Trump specific phenomenon. Had Cruz won the primary most of these people would have voted for Cruz and still would have thought white people are discriminated against. I don't necessarily know how to change this.

But casting Trump as a villain and everyone who voted for him as a villain motivated by villainy is probably not going to win over many people to the Democratic party, especially if they don't budge on important issues (that btw, Obama was smart enough to pay lip service to).
Actually it is a Trump/Obama specific phenomenon. You are correct that the Republicans have been intentionally courting racially aggrieved white voters since the Southern Strategy in the 1960s. However, Trump was willling to be far more blunt and brazen in his approach than any Republican before him. His candidacy happened to coincide with changing attitudes among a sizeable segment of white voters.

If you go back to W’s time in office, polling data show that a majority of Republican voters thought that AA people were the greatest victims of discrimination. Then we had an AA president serve as an eight year long reminder of how our society has changed and is changing. Then a demagogue comes along to exploit those race-based fears and grievances. Trump won PA because he significantly outperformed his predecessor candidates in the counties with the greatest concentration of less educated white people. He got more than 100k more votes than Romney did. That combined with black voters, especially in Philadelphia, sitting the election out put Trump over the top.

In short this is unquestionably a Trump phenomenon. The remaking of the Republican Party as the Trump party is the reason why he’s the first Republican presidential candidate ever to lose all of Philadelphia’s collar counties. Trump is a villain. His voters, many of them but by no means all of them, harbor racial grievances.
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Old 02-17-2019, 06:57 PM
 
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Of course you did. That’s why trump loves the uneducated. They’re so resistant to facts. I cited post-election studies not polls. This may come as a shock to you, but polling and studies are two completely different endeavors. The fact is that racial resentment has been shown repeatedly to be the primary motivating factor for Trump voters. You just don’t get the kind of highly replicated results without statistical validity.

Trump voters are by far the group of people most likely to think that white people are the group suffering from the greatest amount of discrimination in the US. That one item is the most predictive characteristic of a Trump voter.
Thanks for sharing your tailored assumptions...from the Washington Post..lol.
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Old 02-17-2019, 07:41 PM
 
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Too busy might lock this thread if you all continue to go on with OT posts that are not directly related to Phila. area crime. I doubt folks want that to happen.
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