Income and rent map - accurate for Philadelphia? (Levittown, Chester: for sale, renters)

[cpomp]

Originally Posted by frankgn87

Yep.. Who wants to pay 4% wage tax when you make good money? Its killing the city. When people start making real $$, they leave

Also because so many of the large corporations and successuful business are headquatered in the suburbs. Towns like King of Prussia, Newtown Square, Radnor etc have thousands of high paying jobs. That also comes down to the relatively unfriendly work atmosphere of the city compared to the suburbs.

[RightonWalnut]

Originally Posted by frankgn87

Yep.. Who wants to pay 4% wage tax when you make good money? Its killing the city. When people start making real $$, they leave

All of the wealthy people living in Center City and the Northwest disagree with you. Million dollar homes in Rittenhouse, Society Hill, Filter Square, Logan Square, Mt. Airy, Chestnut Hill?

Guess you overlooked all of them.

Cliff Lee and Jonathan Papelbon live in 1706 Rittenhouse. Chase Utley lives in the Aria. The CEO of Comcast lives in one of the penthouses at 10 Rittenhouse. Bart Blatstein, a big time real estate developer just bought a house in Rittenhouse Square. A bunch of big head execs and CEOs at GlaxoSmithKline live in Two Liberty Place. There are plenty of wealthy living in the city whether you want to believe it or not. While the wage tax is certainly a factor to SOME, I don't think it is the lead primary cause. The wealthiest locations all throughout the US are ALL suburbs outside of one location, Manhattan. Long Island, Main Line, Beverly Hills, Malibu, Orange County. All high wealth areas you can think of? All suburbs. It is a society problem with this country and the long tradition of wealth and middle class locating in the suburbs, and not cities. Of course, this is slowly changing, and people are starting to move back to cities, but to this day suburbanization still has a foothold in the US. The Main Line is a historical bastion of wealth, and birds of a feather flock together. Wealthy tend to want to be around wealthy. The abundance of top notch schools located along the Main Line is also a contributing factor, and while the wage tax may be a cause for some, it is certainly not a leading reason why people chose to locate to the Main Line instead of city limits.

[RightonWalnut]

Originally Posted by cpomp

Also because so many of the large corporations and successuful business are headquatered in the suburbs. Towns like King of Prussia, Newtown Square, Radnor etc have thousands of high paying jobs. That also comes down to the relatively unfriendly work atmosphere of the city compared to the suburbs.

Again, while KOP and the route 202 and route 30 corridors are MASSIVE employment centers, Center City STILL has the highest concentration of jobs in the metro area. Add in University City right across the river and that number gets even higher. KOP is definitely a good economic engine to have in the metro area but it is second behind Center City in amount of companies and employees. I don't think the primary reason is where the companies are located, but it is surely a contributing reason for some peoples choices to locate in the suburbs. All around the country, the wealthy TEND to locate in the suburbs. It is US trend that is NOT unique to Philadelphia. I'm sure poor schools and generally higher crime also contribute to wealthy families locating in the suburbs, especially the Main Line which has a long standing historical reputation of being a bastion of wealth and one of the wealthiest areas in this country. That does not take away from the fact that there is wealth that still locates within the city limits (primarily in Center City and the Northwest, but there is wealthy in other areas like Bella Vista, Queen Village, G-Ho, NoLibs, Fairmount, East Falls, Fox Chase). The amount of better educated, better paid residents living in the city increases every year too. Still, what it all comes down to is long traditions of suburbanization, racism, etc. etc. that are still very relative and still have effects on today's society within the US

[MikeNigh]

Using the site that was given.. I looked at Seattle, LA, Chicago, Houston, Atlanta, Miami, Boston, San Fran and NYC. Every one of them except NYC-San Fran-Boston had either their entire core red or a major portion extending right off of it. I have no doubt if these cities were critiqued only on their cores and their suburbs were considered separate like it always is for philly they'd be considered poor.

Another thing to consider is philly has a good core but it is much more dense. The map given is median per household... One "block" in the core might equal 4 blocks in the suburbs worth of wealth.

[cpomp]

Originally Posted by Summersm343

All of the wealthy people living in Center City and the Northwest disagree with you. Million dollar homes in Rittenhouse, Society Hill, Filter Square, Logan Square, Mt. Airy, Chestnut Hill?

Guess you overlooked all of them.

Cliff Lee and Jonathan Papelbon live in 1706 Rittenhouse. Chase Utley lives in the Aria. The CEO of Comcast lives in one of the penthouses at 10 Rittenhouse. Bart Blatstein, a big time real estate developer just bought a house in Rittenhouse Square. A bunch of big head execs and CEOs at GlaxoSmithKline live in Two Liberty Place. There are plenty of wealthy living in the city whether you want to believe it or not. While the wage tax is certainly a factor to SOME, I don't think it is the lead primary cause. The wealthiest locations all throughout the US are ALL suburbs outside of one location, Manhattan. Long Island, Main Line, Beverly Hills, Malibu, Orange County. All high wealth areas you can think of? All suburbs. It is a society problem with this country and the long tradition of wealth and middle class locating in the suburbs, and not cities. Of course, this is slowly changing, and people are starting to move back to cities, but to this day suburbanization still has a foothold in the US. The Main Line is a historical bastion of wealth, and birds of a feather flock together. Wealthy tend to want to be around wealthy. The abundance of top notch schools located along the Main Line is also a contributing factor, and while the wage tax may be a cause for some, it is certainly not a leading reason why people chose to locate to the Main Line instead of city limits.

The CEO of Comcast actually lives in Radnor I belive. He purchased a penthouse or 2 in 10 Rittenhouse but does not live there.

Also not denying wealth in the city. There are are many neighborhoods that rival the wealthiest neighborhoods in the suburbs with beautiful homes and high rises. I was just pointing out that its like night and day for much of the city and the suburbs, due to extreme amounts of poverty in portions of the city that do drag down its reputation to suburbanites, even though it is exaggerated.

While the Main Line is rich and nice, it isnt in demand compared to many other suburbs nowadays, rather stagnant, due to overcrowding. Chester county, portions of Bucks, Northern Montgomery county and northwestern Delaware county showed the largest population increase over the past decade. Towns like Glen Mills, Garnet Valley, Thornbury, West Chester area are booming with wealth and development.

[frankgn87]

Sure there are million dollar homes in CC but they can not compare to the sheer numbers of multi million dollar homes in the burbs. Its not even close. And YOU KNOW that all of those rich people in CC have suburban homes for vacation homes.. I know lots of people in CC that also have shore and burbs homes too. Everyone loved peace and quiet as they grow older and more successful

Originally Posted by Summersm343

All of the wealthy people living in Center City and the Northwest disagree with you. Million dollar homes in Rittenhouse, Society Hill, Filter Square, Logan Square, Mt. Airy, Chestnut Hill?

Guess you overlooked all of them.

Cliff Lee and Jonathan Papelbon live in 1706 Rittenhouse. Chase Utley lives in the Aria. The CEO of Comcast lives in one of the penthouses at 10 Rittenhouse. Bart Blatstein, a big time real estate developer just bought a house in Rittenhouse Square. A bunch of big head execs and CEOs at GlaxoSmithKline live in Two Liberty Place. There are plenty of wealthy living in the city whether you want to believe it or not. While the wage tax is certainly a factor to SOME, I don't think it is the lead primary cause. The wealthiest locations all throughout the US are ALL suburbs outside of one location, Manhattan. Long Island, Main Line, Beverly Hills, Malibu, Orange County. All high wealth areas you can think of? All suburbs. It is a society problem with this country and the long tradition of wealth and middle class locating in the suburbs, and not cities. Of course, this is slowly changing, and people are starting to move back to cities, but to this day suburbanization still has a foothold in the US. The Main Line is a historical bastion of wealth, and birds of a feather flock together. Wealthy tend to want to be around wealthy. The abundance of top notch schools located along the Main Line is also a contributing factor, and while the wage tax may be a cause for some, it is certainly not a leading reason why people chose to locate to the Main Line instead of city limits.

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[RightonWalnut]

Originally Posted by MikeNigh

Using the site that was given.. I looked at Seattle, LA, Chicago, Houston, Atlanta, Miami, Boston, San Fran and NYC. Every one of them except NYC-San Fran-Boston had either their entire core red or a major portion extending right off of it. I have no doubt if these cities were critiqued only on their cores and their suburbs were considered separate like it always is for philly they'd be considered poor.

Another thing to consider is philly has a good core but it is much more dense. The map given is median per household... One "block" in the core might equal 4 blocks in the suburbs worth of wealth.

EXACTLY. Finally someone with common sense.

[RightonWalnut]

Originally Posted by frankgn87

Sure there are million dollar homes in CC but they can not compare to the sheer numbers of multi million dollar homes in the burbs. Its not even close. And YOU KNOW that all of those rich people in CC have suburban homes for vacation homes.. I know lots of people in CC that also have shore and burbs homes too. Everyone loved peace and quiet as they grow older and more successful

Nothing more peaceful and quiet than 400 ft in the air in a Penthouse. Also, of course they have beach homes. Most of the them don't have them in NJ tho. They have them in Miami, Malibu or tropical islands. If you had all that money would you own a beach home in NJ? Hell nawh. Also, you are comparing ALL the suburbs around Philly, to the 2 sq mile area of Center City? On a per capita basis there is definitely more wealthy living in Center City than anywhere else in the metro.

[RightonWalnut]

Originally Posted by cpomp

The CEO of Comcast actually lives in Radnor I belive. He purchased a penthouse or 2 in 10 Rittenhouse but does not live there.

Whether it is true or not, that does not mean there aren't wealthy who live in Center City. Other CEOs, Directors, Execs of large companies own property in Center City as well as professional athletes and doctors/surgeons, etc.

My comment wasn't necessarily directed at you. Just hate some posters on here who think everything within the city is poor.