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Old 08-21-2013, 01:01 PM
 
Location: back in Philadelphia!
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LOL! They all have books, don't believe everyhing you read. I never heard of a kid not getting a book. How come some kids are still learning?
Well, NO kids are learning right now, because the school year hasn't started.
When and if it does, then you might get some anecdotal evidence about kids getting or not getting the supplies they need to learn at school.
As of last year, parents and teachers were having to buy school supplies and books out of their own pockets so that the kids would have what they needed to learn. And everyone can't afford to do that. This is not the sound of a system working.
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Old 08-21-2013, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Well, NO kids are learning right now, because the school year hasn't started.
When and if it does, then you might get some anecdotal evidence about kids getting or not getting the supplies they need to learn at school.
As of last year, parents and teachers were having to buy school supplies and books out of their own pockets so that the kids would have what they needed to learn. And everyone can't afford to do that. This is not the sound of a system working.
I was talking about how some people have been ripping the schools for years, and every year kids STILL learn. Don't get hysterical about the myth of "no money for supplies - the kids can't learn!!!"
Maybe if kids weren't losing the books, things would be easier. Nobody wants to place the blame where it really belongs.
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Old 08-21-2013, 02:28 PM
 
Location: back in Philadelphia!
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I was talking about how some people have been ripping the schools for years, and every year kids STILL learn. Don't get hysterical about the myth of "no money for supplies - the kids can't learn!!!"
Maybe if kids weren't losing the books, things would be easier. Nobody wants to place the blame where it really belongs.
So, you are actually not talking about what's going on right now, and/or have been willfully ignoring the details of the current situation.
Do I seem hysterical? I am angry, yes (we all should be), but I think that everything I've said has been stated quite rationally.
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Old 08-21-2013, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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So, you are actually not talking about what's going on right now, and/or have been willfully ignoring the details of the current situation.
Do I seem hysterical? I am angry, yes (we all should be), but I think that everything I've said has been stated quite rationally.
What's going on now is the schools are trying to extort money from the state ... as usual, the kids will have everything they need even if they don't get the money.
I think you actually believe the schools need this money to operate.
There's no reason to be angry.
What's the amount of money needed for these kids to learn?

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Old 08-21-2013, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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True but when the schools are so poor that they cannot afford books to teach the class.. OR.. its so out of control that the teacher bypasses teaching and just tries to make it home in one piece.. How much can a child learn?
LOL! Trust me, the schools aren't "poor." I know there's obstacles in some schools, but I highly doubt it's "so out of control," nothing's being taught. Kids from "bad" schools go to college every year, the ones who want to learn, they learn. Why is everything in Philly "out of control" with you?

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Old 08-21-2013, 04:09 PM
 
Location: back in Philadelphia!
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What's going on now is the schools are trying to extort money from the state ... as usual, the kids will have everything they need even if they don't get the money.
I think you actually believe the schools need this money to operate.
There's no reason to be angry.
What's the amount of money needed for these kids to learn?
So you're perfectly content with the current state and trajectory of public education in PA?
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Old 08-21-2013, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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So you're perfectly content with the current state and trajectory of public education in PA?
No, but there's gotta be a better solution than throwing money at the problems. How much is enough? Give me a figure.

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Old 08-21-2013, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Phila Pa & NYC
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Philly is fun when you are young but when you grow older and raise a family and need a clean, safe place to raise your family with good schools it time to move it.

So if you are young, move there and have fun!
Or if your older and your kids are grown it can be fun also. It's all a matter of likes and dis-likes. At this point of my life I would be insanely bored living in the burbs. Of course the same would be true for me living in the city but away from center city.
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Old 08-21-2013, 07:16 PM
 
Location: South Jersey
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LOL! They all have books, don't believe everyhing you read. I never heard of a kid not getting a book. How come some kids are still learning?

Its 21 years experience in education. Nothing I read. Its true life.
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Old 08-21-2013, 07:17 PM
 
Location: South Jersey
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As of last year, parents and teachers were having to buy school supplies and books out of their own pockets so that the kids would have what they needed to learn. And everyone can't afford to do that. This is not the sound of a system working.

Exactly..
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