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Old 08-24-2013, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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anyone who thinks being poor is a matter of personal choice is categorically a moron.
I couldn't buy some families members out of poverty if I wanted to. Want to explain that one? In simpler terms, if given the money to not live poorly anymore it would be their personal ________ then to continue living poor. Feel free to fill in the blank.

 
Old 08-24-2013, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Delco,PA
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It's a part of east coast "hood" culture. It's common in NYC, Philly & Baltimore, it's been that way since about the mid 80's.
 
Old 08-24-2013, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia,PA
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I don't care what the poor do to the poor any more than I care about the price of tea in china. Being poor is less a matter of circumstance as it is a matter of personality and the choices they willingly make. The only thing that bugs me is the same mentality that keeps the poor poor is also the same that keeps middle class middle class and rich rich. In particular, I find it disgusting that the middle class look down on the poor despite they are blindly victim to the same mechanism which keeps them from being rich.
Like I said when they do end up killing some little kid. I hope it's near 2nd and Girard, then something will be done.
 
Old 08-24-2013, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Belgrade, MT
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I loved when they would roll down Broad Street through Temple's campus. Ahh, memories of my time in North Philly.
 
Old 08-24-2013, 05:49 PM
 
Location: South Jersey
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just a bunch of animals on the street of Philly..

So glad I am out of that city, don't have to deal with that crap anymore
 
Old 08-24-2013, 06:00 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista
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I couldn't buy some families members out of poverty if I wanted to. Want to explain that one? In simpler terms, if given the money to not live poorly anymore it would be their personal ________ then to continue living poor. Feel free to fill in the blank.
if you're born poor in america it is exceedingly likely you will continue to be poor throughout your life. At the same time if you're born rich it is very likely that you will continue to be rich. Sure there are some smart and/or lucky poor people and some really dumb and/or unlucky rich people who buck the trend, but for the most part, that is not the case.

It's not about giving some poor person some money now, regardless of that money they still grew up in a poor household and those disadvantages have now shaped them.

If you can't understand that I don't know what to tell you.
 
Old 08-24-2013, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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I couldn't buy some families members out of poverty if I wanted to. Want to explain that one? In simpler terms, if given the money to not live poorly anymore it would be their personal ________ then to continue living poor. Feel free to fill in the blank.
Is this not just circular reasoning? The mentality stems from being poor. They didn't choose their mentality; it was thrust upon them by circumstance. I agree that it is sad that people stay mired in that mentality, however they didn't wake up one day and decide that this would be the mentality they would have. It was essentially bred into them and re-enforced since childhood and then reaffirmed by confirmation bias through their experiences throughout their lives - all of which they remain unaware of. I agree with you though elsewhere, especially about the middle class. Each class has their own mentalities that negatively affect them and keep them from achieving certain things. These are basically socially-enforced limiters.
 
Old 08-24-2013, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Is this not just circular reasoning? The mentality stems from being poor. They didn't choose their mentality; it was thrust upon them by circumstance. I agree that it is sad that people stay mired in that mentality, however they didn't wake up one day and decide that this would be the mentality they would have. It was essentially bred into them and re-enforced since childhood and then reaffirmed by confirmation bias through their experiences throughout their lives - all of which they remain unaware of. I agree with you though elsewhere, especially about the middle class. Each class has their own mentalities that negatively affect them and keep them from achieving certain things. These are basically socially-enforced limiters.
To be fair I can't think of anyone in america I know who is poor and isn't in to drugs. The only exception is some parents who have drug addicts for kids.
 
Old 08-24-2013, 08:27 PM
 
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Back in the 1990s the police in Baltimore used to chase them, until one day, during a chase, a kid on a bike was killed. Everyone immediately blamed the police, after that incident the new police rule was to not chase them. So now they run wild, just like the rest of the criminals in Baltimore.
 
Old 08-24-2013, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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What possible positive outcome could come from cops chasing little kids through the streets and alley of Philadelphia at high speeds? Is there really any chance they stop the kids without hurting them? And honestly just getting the kid hurt is the best case scenario, think of how dangerous the scenario would be for innocent bystanders that could get caught up in such a dangerous chase.

Growing up I heard of cops confiscating the bikes while they were at home, but if they're on them riding them in the street what is a cop to do? Engaging them and chasing them is just plain stupid.
"Little kids"? LOL! Is there any type of low-life activity you don't defend?
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