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Old 03-09-2014, 05:24 PM
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Yes, because all Americans can be software developers and accountants. Especially those who support three kids and have no car to get to community college.

Telemarketing jobs pay more than minimum wage

 
Old 03-09-2014, 06:30 PM
 
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The dumb part was the $15 because that would lead to less hiring and less hours
This statement basically insinuates employers over-hire currently, which seems really counter-intuitive.

To be completely fair, having the minimum wage as low as it is means low income workers have to subsist on government aid. Effectively private companies force the tax payer to pick up the tab on their employee's wages. It's a good idea to make private companies pay more of their employee's living expenses. No one likes a mooch that actually has the ability to pay for itself.

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Last month, we discussed McDonald's and Wal-Mart as America’s biggest welfare queens. As it turns out, both giants are the beneficiaries of a surprising amount of federal aid: Their employees receive an inordinate amount of Medicaid, food stamps and other public assistance. This allows them to maintain very low wages, and keep profits relatively robust.
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Telemarketing jobs pay more than minimum wage
So does Costco too. If they can do it, so can the Walmarts of the world.
 
Old 03-09-2014, 07:05 PM
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This statement basically insinuates employers over-hire currently, which seems really counter-intuitive.

To be completely fair, having the minimum wage as low as it is means low income workers have to subsist on government aid. Effectively private companies force the tax payer to pick up the tab on their employee's wages. It's a good idea to make private companies pay more of their employee's living expenses. No one likes a mooch that actually has the ability to pay for itself.





So does Costco too. If they can do it, so can the Walmarts of the world.

That's because to survive at telemarketing you need communication skills unlike Walmart or KFC
 
Old 03-09-2014, 08:27 PM
 
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That's because to survive at telemarketing you need communication skills unlike Walmart or KFC
Are you a troll? Why are you incapable of making logical arguments? Can you please go back to the hole you were hiding in before the time you started posting in the Philadelphia forum? You would fit in a lot better at Töpix.
 
Old 03-09-2014, 08:39 PM
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Are you a troll? Why are you incapable of making logical arguments? Can you please go back to the hole you were hiding in before the time you started posting in the Philadelphia forum? You would fit in a lot better at Töpix.

I believe I made logical arguments in this thread. Raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour doesn't make sense because

1. Because fast food and retail jobs were never meant to be jobs someone can live off of

2. It would cause those employers to cut hours and raise their food prices

3. Those employers would hire less

4. Those workers should not be making more than people who have a higher education and more skills



Those are my arguments
 
Old 03-09-2014, 10:09 PM
 
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I believe I made logical arguments in this thread. Raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour doesn't make sense because

1. Because fast food and retail jobs were never meant to be jobs someone can live off of

2. It would cause those employers to cut hours and raise their food prices

3. Those employers would hire less

4. Those workers should not be making more than people who have a higher education and more skills



Those are my arguments

1. Fair enough, but they're now some of the only jobs available to people down on their luck. Maybe they have poor education, maybe they have a college degree with a silly major. Maybe their parents died when they were 16 and had to take care of younger siblings.

2. Absolutely. But businesses don't run themselves. Do you think KFC or Walmart keep extra people on the clock because they feel like it? These operations already run at minimum capacity. Do you think McDonald's will reduce their workforce to the point where one guy takes orders AND runs the fryers?

3. What makes you think they're hiring now? Have you looked for a minimum wage job lately? They're not abundant like they were in the 80s and 90s.

4. You do realize that a minimum wage is a _minumum_, right? As in, it is unlawful to pay an employee less than that wage. So employees with more skills will make just as much, if not more, than minumum wage employees.

We can talk about this all we want. But it disregards the fact that we have a plethora of very unlucky folks working two or three jobs to play rent and support children. It would be great if everybody got a better education and had more skills, but it's simply not realistic. We all need ditch diggers, and a ditch digger has every right to a livable wage. Treating low-skilled workers as virtual slaves puts us further behind in the international landscapes and solidifies opinion that we're a bunch of short-thinking, closed-minded, cold-hearted bastards.

The funny thing is that you and your ill-thinking friends are not millionaires desperately clutching your fortunes and quarterly profits. You're probably an everyday joe with kids and a mortgage who lucked into a comfortable life. You may argue that luck had nothing to do with it; that you worked very hard to earn a lifestyle allowing you the comfort to make dumb posts on the internet. But I assure you that even the hardest workers can't always escape the crap life throws at them. And as we continue to become the least-developed developed nation, the ****'s gonna keep flying.
 
Old 03-09-2014, 10:25 PM
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1. Fair enough, but they're now some of the only jobs available to people down on their luck. Maybe they have poor education, maybe they have a college degree with a silly major. Maybe their parents died when they were 16 and had to take care of younger siblings.

2. Absolutely. But businesses don't run themselves. Do you think KFC or Walmart keep extra people on the clock because they feel like it? These operations already run at minimum capacity. Do you think McDonald's will reduce their workforce to the point where one guy takes orders AND runs the fryers?

3. What makes you think they're hiring now? Have you looked for a minimum wage job lately? They're not abundant like they were in the 80s and 90s.

4. You do realize that a minimum wage is a _minumum_, right? As in, it is unlawful to pay an employee less than that wage. So employees with more skills will make just as much, if not more, than minumum wage employees.

We can talk about this all we want. But it disregards the fact that we have a plethora of very unlucky folks working two or three jobs to play rent and support children. It would be great if everybody got a better education and had more skills, but it's simply not realistic. We all need ditch diggers, and a ditch digger has every right to a livable wage. Treating low-skilled workers as virtual slaves puts us further behind in the international landscapes and solidifies opinion that we're a bunch of short-thinking, closed-minded, cold-hearted bastards.

The funny thing is that you and your ill-thinking friends are not millionaires desperately clutching your fortunes and quarterly profits. You're probably an everyday joe with kids and a mortgage who lucked into a comfortable life. You may argue that luck had nothing to do with it; that you worked very hard to earn a lifestyle allowing you the comfort to make dumb posts on the internet. But I assure you that even the hardest workers can't always escape the crap life throws at them. And as we continue to become the least-developed developed nation, the ****'s gonna keep flying.

So if the minimum wage was to be raised to $15 an hour then all the people who was making $9 to $14 an hour will want a raise too. That is what I am saying
 
Old 03-09-2014, 10:59 PM
 
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So if the minimum wage was to be raised to $15 an hour then all the people who was making $9 to $14 an hour will want a raise too. That is what I am saying
It's illegal to pay below a minumum wage. So if somebody makes $9/hr and minumum raise is set to $15/hr, what do you think will happen?
 
Old 03-09-2014, 11:07 PM
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It's illegal to pay below a minumum wage. So if somebody makes $9/hr and minumum raise is set to $15/hr, what do you think will happen?

Which is why the demonstration was a waste of breath and time because it would never increase that high. So I guess all those people were either that bored or stupid.
 
Old 03-09-2014, 11:25 PM
 
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Which is why the demonstration was a waste of breath and time because it would never increase that high. So I guess all those people were either that bored or stupid.
Tautological thinking: the minumum wage will only increase if citizens demand it. If nobody's stirring the pot, then there's no demand.
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