03-10-2014, 12:53 AM
Location: Bella Vista
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Angus215
Who is subsidizing McDonalds? It's a free country - if people think that they are worth more than minimum wage, then go get a job that pays more and prove it. Or get some skills that increase the value of your labor. You want to decrease corporate profits and decrease private sector employment, thereby decreasing tax revenue. Then increase spending in order to make up for the jobs you just destroyed in the private sector?? Sounds like a "great" liberal idea!!!! I'm sure all the liberals will be happy paying $10 for a Big Mac in this great new world too.
Who is subsidizing McDonalds? You are. I am. Everyone is. What don't you get?
Every year American taxpayers pay McDonalds employees over a billion dollars in public subsidies so that they can afford food, clothing, and shelter for themselves and their families.
These are gainfully employed individuals who work for a company that makes billions of dollars of profits every single quarter and have a ceo that is paid millions of dollars a year. You're telling me that you don't think they should be forced to pay their employees enough money to afford the basic necessities of life? You think that instead American taxpayers should have to foot that bill?
These people work for a living, they're not animals, as I said a third of them are college educated, a third of them have children. What is the possible negative side affect of paying these people enough money to support themselves?
I also never said to increase spending. If McDonalds and other companies paid a livable wage to their employees then all of those employees would no longer be eligible for food stamps and other benefits. As tax payers, our spending on entitlement programs would decrease dramatically. We then turn around and take all that money we saved and invest it public works programs so that our bridges don't crumble, so we have good public transit, so rebuilding highways doesn't take 3 decades.
It actually is a great liberal idea. Thank you. And like most liberal ideas... and decidedly unlike most conservative ideas, it is based on sound data,professional analysis, and reasoned thought.
And to your final point. I would not be happy paying for $10 for a Big Mac. But then again I wouldn't be happy paying $1 for a big mac. You couldn't pay me to eat a Big Mac. But of course if $15 was the new minimum wage it wouldn't just increase the prices of bad hamburgers, it would increase the price of many items and foods and I would happily pay that increase if it meant workers received a living wage.
You see I understand that we're much better off living in a society in which people have an actual incentive to work and those that do are paid a minimum wage in which they can live on and maintain their dignity. To me that's more important than subsidizing the cost of hamburgers.
03-10-2014, 01:01 AM
Location: Bella Vista
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Why the hell should someone who is making minimum wage at KFC suddenly be making more an hour than someone who has a higher education and more job skills??????
Do you not understand the basic concept of a minimum wage? Everyone's wages would increase. These fast food workers are fighting for their rights, but overall they want everyone to have a minimum wage. So KFC workers would not be making suddenly more than anyone. They'd be working minimum wage which no one could be paid less than. Some people with a better education and more job skills would suddenly be making as much or barely more than someone who works at KFC, but the market will normalize eventually and those that are worth more will be paid more money. In the long run everyone's salary increases except for those at the top and investors lose out.
03-10-2014, 06:04 AM
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Screw that! I worked hard to get my degree and I work very hard to get paid what I do. What have these people done for themselves to progress forward? Minimum wage is fine where it is right now, asking for 15 dollars an hour is insane and it troubles me to see that some in this thread thing it is a good idea. I am not going to pay more money at the register just because these people who feel entitled want to raise minimum wage.
I don't know why people also seem to think that corporations should be sharing their profits with their employees. If you don't like capitalism then get out!
03-10-2014, 06:24 AM
Location: Bella Vista
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Screw that! I worked hard to get my degree and I work very hard to get paid what I do. What have these people done for themselves to progress forward? Minimum wage is fine where it is right now, asking for 15 dollars an hour is insane and it troubles me to see that some in this thread thing it is a good idea. I am not going to pay more money at the register just because these people who feel entitled want to raise minimum wage.
I don't know why people also seem to think that corporations should be sharing their profits with their employees. If you don't like capitalism then get out!
Nope. Sorry. I think corporations should share their profits with their employees and I'm not going anywhere. You're going to have to deal with the fact that people in this country disagree with you.
03-10-2014, 11:42 AM
Location: Philadelphia
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^Amen Phillies!
Why do we let International Corporations suck on the teet of American taxpayers while condemning the American working poor?
People complain about welfare spending on poor Americans but don't stop to think about the fact that the wealthiest family in this country and one of the most powerful corporations in the World employ by far the largest share of welfare recipients of any business. WalMart schedules hours and actively teaches their employees how to apply and become eligible for Government benefits all while avoiding paying their own taxes at all costs necessary. Most of these Corporations also rely on near slave labor across the Globe while corporate profits have never been higher.
To some mega-rich wannabees they think of this as a "good business model", while not understanding that Multi-National Corporations are undermining the strength of this country and their own fellow citizens. Consumer spending CONSTITUTES 70% OF OUR ECONOMY. You people are not one of the 85 that own as much as the poorest bottom half of the World population. You are most likely not in the 1% of the population where 95% of all wealth created since 2009 has gone, while 90% of Americans have gotten poorer. If 90% of Americans are getting poorer than that obviously has a huge negative impact on our economy as a whole.
People need to band together and stop falling for lies, propaganda and divisive tactics from a group of people that could barely fill a room and do not care in the slightest about the future of our nation.
If the minimum wage kept with the pace of inflation since the 1970's it should be about $11.50 per Hour. I say shoot for $15.
Americans need to take back control of their Government and their financial system from the Globalists.
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03-10-2014, 11:57 AM
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Increasing the minimum wage is a really bad idea because most companies will become more selective about who they hire. If I was running a company and I was paying someone $15 an hour I would go for the person with way more experience, not some young teenager that's bound to act stupid. What raising the minimum wage does is help out the older and more experienced workers, and basically hurts anyone else trying to enter an industry. I think $15 is too much, maybe we should raise it to $12 an hour. $15 is just being greedy, these jobs are meant to be part-time jobs or something to help lift you off your feet. Not meant to have for 10+ years.
The only good side I could see is that people with a whole bunch of experience would be able to get jobs at lower places (like a high class chef at McDoanlds, etc..).
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03-10-2014, 12:01 PM
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Tautological thinking: the minumum wage will only increase if citizens demand it. If nobody's stirring the pot, then there's no demand.
But it has been gradually increasing:
PA Minimum wage dating back to 1990:
1990 - 3.35
1991 - 3.80
1992 - 4.25
1997 - 4.75
1998 - 5.15
2007 - 6.25
2009 - 7.15
2010 - 7.25
15 just seems like a huge leap..... I'm thinking a dollar or two increase is more likely and honestly more reasonable.
03-10-2014, 12:18 PM
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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phillies2011
Nope. Sorry. I think corporations should share their profits with their employees and I'm not going anywhere. You're going to have to deal with the fact that people in this country disagree with you.
That's the thing. This is a free market economy. I can pay my employees whatever I WANT to pay them, so long as it meets the minimum federal requirement. If YOU don't like it, then either a) don't work for me, or b) go protest and have the law changed.
03-10-2014, 12:26 PM
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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phillies2011
As I said earlier a lot of these companies make billions of dollars in profit. Of course they say they can't afford to raise the minimum wage. The question is who would be foolish enough to believe them?
Sure some companies legitimately couldn't afford it,and they'll go out of business. Fine by me, if your business model relies on taking advantage of a workforce and not paying them a fair wage then you don't have a business worth saving.
All job losses in the private sector could be offset and then some by increases in public works. The infrastructure in this country is abysmal. If we stop subsidizing corporations like McDonald's we could use that money to pay people to help make this country a better place.
They can afford to raise their wages, but then it would cut their workforce because the managers at their establishments would be way more selective about who they hire. So then you basically lock the industry so only people who have a lot of experience can get a job. It's not that corporate can't afford it, it's that the stores themselves can't handle it. Now people that this industry is targeted at can't get a job. You can raise the minimum wage all you want, but remember that the more you do, the less people said retail stores are actually going to employ.
03-10-2014, 03:42 PM
Location: Punta Gorda
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Any increase in the minimum wage will result in fewer jobs. That's just simple supply-and-demand. The congressional Budget office estimated that an increase to $10 an hr would cost half a million jobs. An increase to $15 an hour would be catastrophic to the very people out there protesting, because their jobs wouldn't exist. You can't just legislate your ideal version of the world.
^^^This
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Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)