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Old 12-05-2008, 01:20 PM
 
Location: university city
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Sorry to say but your ethnic group doesn't "own" a neighborhood. Get over yourself.

i'm confused
is this to me?

 
Old 12-05-2008, 01:22 PM
 
Location: university city
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what?

So I should expect to see high school dropouts shopping at Miel and enjoying cocktails at Brasserie Perrier and the guy with the masters in finance will be living at K&A, making $15k a year, eating lunch at McDonald's, and doing all of his grocery shopping at the corner store?

all you guys are talking about is money
again, there are not any class issues here
and again, there is not a correlation between money/shopping??? and class lol
class is born into
please, read up on class
 
Old 12-05-2008, 04:15 PM
 
Location: South Philly
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i'm confused
is this to me?
No, it's just my general feeling about the situation and would be aimed, primarily, at the West Philly activist crowd and their sympathizers.
 
Old 12-05-2008, 05:34 PM
 
Location: South Philly
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all you guys are talking about is money
again, there are not any class issues here
and again, there is not a correlation between money/shopping??? and class lol
class is born into
please, read up on class
I've lived around people of the same or lesser economic status for most of my life and I've always recognized the fact that I come from a higher social class. At any rate, you're not going to give me a lesson on class so you can quit while you're only mildly condescending.

Sure, You can be nouveaux riche and, by comparison, be poorly educated and have bottom-rung social origins.

But to come from an upper-class family with a relatively poor education . . ?

You're right to say that there is no causal link between education and class. You're also right to say that there isn't a correlation between income and class. Certainly, someone can lose all of their money but they won't lose the class they came from.

To say that there is no correlation between education and class is completely off the mark. There's a strong positive corollary between education and class and even though the negative corollary is not as strong it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

But anyway, the post of mine that you were quoting here wasn't referring to money. It was referring to the differences in tastes and attitudes between upper and lower class people and the tendency of lower class people to think that spending more money on something means that it's higher class.

If you've ever seen the elaborate birthday and graduation cakes that many working-class black or italian families in this city buy for their kids you know that they're spending the same as someone like me would pay at Whole Foods or Miel. I've enjoyed an evening at the bar at the Brasserie rubbing elbows with people who are of a higher class than me and i've spent the night on the dancefloor in the clubs on Spring Garden. I've spent the same amount of money at both places and been just as drunk. You just don't find guys in hoodies and timbs having cocktails on Walnut St. Nor do you find guys in loafers and blazers out for a friday night at Transit.

Maybe you've heard the expression "you can't buy class"

And btw, there's a difference between class and caste. Your children aren't born with the class you were born with. You bestow it upon them. In 90 years my family has moved quite steadily from euro-peasant origins to the middle-class. While both sides of my family started out in the same place one side has made it a lot further than the other. It's not just about money, it's about manners, mannerisms, ways of speaking, ways of entertaining, and social circles among other things.
 
Old 12-06-2008, 10:57 AM
 
Location: South Jersey
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I know for a fact that there are many hardwprking blacks in every area of Philly and the burbs. I have no idea what lax is talking about . I've been here 47 years and there is no color barriers that I can see. My friend who is very well off lives in Buckingnham in a mil+$ housing developent and out of 10 houses 2 are blacks. No one cares of the skin color of a person as long as they are hard working and keeps their place nice.. The OP should shop worryng about such things and move where they please..
 
Old 12-06-2008, 09:46 PM
 
Location: university city
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Originally Posted by solibs View Post
I've lived around people of the same or lesser economic status for most of my life and I've always recognized the fact that I come from a higher social class. At any rate, you're not going to give me a lesson on class so you can quit while you're only mildly condescending.

Sure, You can be nouveaux riche and, by comparison, be poorly educated and have bottom-rung social origins.

But to come from an upper-class family with a relatively poor education . . ?

You're right to say that there is no causal link between education and class. You're also right to say that there isn't a correlation between income and class. Certainly, someone can lose all of their money but they won't lose the class they came from.

To say that there is no correlation between education and class is completely off the mark. There's a strong positive corollary between education and class and even though the negative corollary is not as strong it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

But anyway, the post of mine that you were quoting here wasn't referring to money. It was referring to the differences in tastes and attitudes between upper and lower class people and the tendency of lower class people to think that spending more money on something means that it's higher class.

If you've ever seen the elaborate birthday and graduation cakes that many working-class black or italian families in this city buy for their kids you know that they're spending the same as someone like me would pay at Whole Foods or Miel. I've enjoyed an evening at the bar at the Brasserie rubbing elbows with people who are of a higher class than me and i've spent the night on the dancefloor in the clubs on Spring Garden. I've spent the same amount of money at both places and been just as drunk. You just don't find guys in hoodies and timbs having cocktails on Walnut St. Nor do you find guys in loafers and blazers out for a friday night at Transit.

Maybe you've heard the expression "you can't buy class"

And btw, there's a difference between class and caste. Your children aren't born with the class you were born with. You bestow it upon them. In 90 years my family has moved quite steadily from euro-peasant origins to the middle-class. While both sides of my family started out in the same place one side has made it a lot further than the other. It's not just about money, it's about manners, mannerisms, ways of speaking, ways of entertaining, and social circles among other things.

in response to everything you said
i was born into upper middle. 90% of my blood relatives, distant and near, are dentists and physicians (i opted out and was disowned by all, as expected). i spent my childhood giving out turkeys on thanksgiving, and my last 6 years before graduating HS going to a boarding school of 130 students for 25k a year.
so yeah, i would know all of what you are talking about
and yes, the kids who are raging against their parents in west philly, trying to live with the common man and nickel and dime, squatter punk yadda yadda lololol....(i even saw the meet-the-parents version of that at Sitars today)..they are hysterical and stupid, as i think also are the class changer wannabes
the expression you referred to WAS my point
i dont care for arguing with you. i have no intention of changing anyones mind nor care to
i was just want to skip work and meet up with you for coffee, so we can settle this 80's porno style
ok kidding
but i hear what you are saying

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Old 12-15-2008, 11:46 AM
 
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jaeidiaz,

There's a lot of responses to your original question. Perhaps it's been answered. In reading over the responses, I must agree with most of them.
But since you live in LA (and this is where my own shameless plug comes in), have you ever thought of not only purchasing a home in Philly, but also investing in properties in Philly? Over the years, I've found a number of investment properties in Philly for people in from California, Washington State, and the NY area invest in real estate. Buy for yourself or as cash flow properties.

In fact the one from Washington, bought for her own in live in while she is going to graduate school at Drexel and working. We mostly concentrate on South Phila., West Phila., Germantown, and some areas of Kensington and NE Philly.

Philadelphia is attractive because of it's low cost of homes, low property taxes, several colleges and universities located here and 3 medical schools - 4 with Temple opening their's in 2009 - makes Phila an attractive place to live and work. Keep an eye out for my blog in the next few days.

Bill

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Old 12-15-2008, 02:10 PM
 
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Philadelphia is attractive because of it's low cost of homes, low property taxes, several colleges and universities located here and 3 medical schools - 4 with Temple opening their's in 2009 - makes Phila an attractive place to live and work. Keep an eye out for my blog in the next few days.

Bill
Low cost of homes compared to what?

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Old 12-15-2008, 03:57 PM
 
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"Low cost of homes compared to what?"

Compared to NY, LA & various parts of California, Chicago, Wash. D.C. My pool of real estate investors from NY grows every month. My last 3 properties I've wholesaled were for investors from NY and North Jersey.

They can't touch a decent, low cost investment property in NY and California for less than 250K. Here in Philly, properties can be acquired in the 20K to 40K price range in areas where after they're fixed up are worth 80K to 100K. Of course, other areas of Philly are higher, but even they are a lot less than the cities I've mentioned. Also, compared to other big cities, Philly has one of the lowest real estate taxes.
 
Old 12-16-2008, 08:52 AM
 
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I have recently been warned about recent statements I have made that have been considered objectionable. Therefore I retract the statement I made in this thread in 2007. Blacks who are successful and responsible citizens of society live throughout the city.
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