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Old 04-03-2014, 12:57 PM
 
Location: back in Philadelphia!
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I vote that after three pages of un-returned bashing of Minnesota, this thread should stop with the attempted trashing of Minnesota/Twin Cities (because, what?), and get back to the original topic of snarking on PA.
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Old 04-03-2014, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Newark, NJ
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The metric is not definitive, but the number of large companies headquartered in the Twin Cities metro is very impressive and definitely means it is a significant U.S. city.
Fine, the next time I want to visit the worlds largest privately held food processor, I know where to go.
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Old 04-03-2014, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Newark, NJ
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I vote that after three pages of un-returned bashing of Minnesota, this thread should stop with the attempted trashing of Minnesota/Twin Cities (because, what?), and get back to the original topic of snarking on PA.
Actually the Not-Philadelphia areas of Pennsylvania are superior to Philly. I know this because there are 11
Fortune 500 companies headquartered outside the city, and only 10 headquartered within.
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Old 04-03-2014, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Vineland, NJ
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I vote that after three pages of un-returned bashing of Minnesota, this thread should stop with the attempted trashing of Minnesota/Twin Cities (because, what?), and get back to the original topic of snarking on PA.
I agree. It's sort of strange how a thread about Philly putting Pennsylvania back on the map turns into a free-for-all Minnesota bash fest. lol.
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Old 04-03-2014, 02:29 PM
 
Location: The Flagship City
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I agree. It's sort of strange how a thread about Philly putting Pennsylvania back on the map turns into a free-for-all Minnesota bash fest. lol.
I completely agree that the Minnesota bashing was pretty random and does not make sense, especially in the context of the main thread topic. However, I also feel that the idea of Pennsylvania ever being off the map is rather odd. With that being said, I hope Philadelphia and Pittsburgh continue to thrive and I agree with pman's other thread in the PA forum that both major cities in the state need to work together more often.
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Old 04-03-2014, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Philly
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I agree. It's sort of strange how a thread about Philly putting Pennsylvania back on the map turns into a free-for-all Minnesota bash fest. lol.
those butter making bastards
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Old 04-03-2014, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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And a ton of visitors going to King or Prussia Mall, the second largest Mall in the US after Mall of America.
Yeah - it's not the same though. People actually go to Minneapolis to go to the mall. I personally couldn't stand the place - being there is like being a witness to everything that's wrong with America. But it's a much bigger deal than King of Prussia.


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Philly ranks higher in education. No school in Minneapolis comes close to the prestige of the University of Pennsylvania. Minneapolis has a more robust economy currently, I guess, but Philadelphia's is still SO MUCH larger. No matter what way you cut it. And the cultural attractions in Philadelphia are consistently ranked higher than Minneapolis whether it is museums, ballet, opera, symphony, theater, nightlife, restaurants, or any other attraction imaginable.... so I'm a little confused why you're selling Philly short.
I'm not selling Philly short at all - I don't know that I really said anything negative about Philadelphia in terms of culture, I think they're on a pretty equal footing. I never really planned to be a part of this thread, but I kept on coming back to the random and out of the blue Minnesota bashing and felt like chiming in. Minneapolis has a big theater scene that the people there are FEROCIOUSLY proud of, art museums (the main art museum being good, but not on the level of Philadelphia's, but is also free everyday - located in South Minneapolis I used to just walk there on a whim and hang out for an hour, a wonderful luxury). The orchestra is big, as well as mainstream and alternative music (first avenue is nationally known). They have an amazing parks system that has a lot of support from the city (to sort of go along with that, biking is really big). Public radio is really, really big (I owe my own love of public radio to my Minneapolis friends).

They have good restaurants too - I'm not so much into fine dining, but they have great cheap food along Lake Street in South Minneapolis (and when I say that the neighborhoods have a lot of the energy there, I mean it - in my old dinky and dangerous corner of South Minneapolis I had two "big city" concepts within walking distance to me, the Midtown Global Market (think a lower key Reading Terminal with more emphasis on ethnic stuff) and Mercado Central (a big hispanic marketplace) plus the other stuff going on on Lake).

The University Penn is in a league of very few, that's for sure. Education and health are the big industries in Philadelphia. What I was trying to get at, and did a bad job of saying it, was the education level of residents is very high. The education level of folks in Minneapolis ranks up there with NY, Boston, and San Francisco. And the public schools do a pretty good job of offering kids opportunities. I was talking to an old buddy of mine living in NE Minneapolis (think Kensington/Port Richmond type of area in terms of traditional demographics) and he was talking about how excited he was to be choosing where to send his daughter to school soon, and I literally did a double take for a minute, since I'm so used to schools being one of the main factors driving working and middle class folks from the city. My wife got a wonderful public school education in a working class neighborhood courtesy of the City of St. Paul.

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I vote that after three pages of un-returned bashing of Minnesota, this thread should stop with the attempted trashing of Minnesota/Twin Cities (because, what?), and get back to the original topic of snarking on PA.
Not a bad idea. To rile people up again, I spent a pretty big portion of my life in PA, but outside of the Philly region, and things can be pretty sad out there. Not only in the small towns and countryside, but most of the small cities have problems as serious as Philadelphia, only with a lot less people who care or notice. Pennsylvania is an extremely urban state, but doesn't seem to understand the city's role as being the basis for the economy.

If anyone ever gets to feeling too down about Philadelphia, take a look on google earth of some of the small cities further west. They have a good thread about this on the PA main forum.
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Old 04-03-2014, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Boston Metrowest (via the Philly area)
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I completely agree that the Minnesota bashing was pretty random and does not make sense, especially in the context of the main thread topic. However, I also feel that the idea of Pennsylvania ever being off the map is rather odd. With that being said, I hope Philadelphia and Pittsburgh continue to thrive and I agree with pman's other thread in the PA forum that both major cities in the state need to work together more often.
Exactly. Pittsburgh and Philadelphia need each other more than they ever have before to get anything accomplished in Harrisburg.

Overall, Pennsylvania has enormous assets, resources and potential. The major issue is that citizens have to challenge the status quo. The political leadership is completely lackluster -- without any sense of vision for the future. The state has done so much to deindustrialize its economy and has a great foundation of diverse industries--now it needs to think ahead about how to drive healthier economic growth and compete with other large states (e.g., New York, California, Illinois, Florida, and Texas) for top human capital and good public amenities.
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Old 04-03-2014, 06:16 PM
 
Location: back in Philadelphia!
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Exactly. Pittsburgh and Philadelphia need each other more than they ever have before to get anything accomplished in Harrisburg.

Overall, Pennsylvania has enormous assets, resources and potential. The major issue is that citizens have to challenge the status quo. The political leadership is completely lackluster -- without any sense of vision for the future. The state has done so much to deindustrialize its economy and has a great foundation of diverse industries--now it needs to think ahead about how to drive healthier economic growth and compete with other large states (e.g., New York, California, Illinois, Florida, and Texas) for top human capital and good public amenities.
Taxing fracking would be a good start. Then with the dough, maybe restore funding to schools and other things that benefit Pennsylvanians.
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Old 04-03-2014, 10:36 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Fortune 500 companies with international presence mean not only jobs, but international significance for an area.
I worded it wrong. Was typing fast on my iphone. I should've said that Fortune 500 companies aren't the entire economic picture.... for instance Minneapolis has more Fortune 500 companies than Philly but Philly still has a MUCH larger economy.

There are plenty of massive well-known companies based in Philadelphia that are not on the Fortune 500 list:

Beneficial Bank
Blank Rome
Boscov's
Burlington Coat Factory
Day & Zimmerman
DuPont
Endo Pharmaceuticals
FMC
Destination Maternity
Pep Boys
Urban Outfitters
Vanguard (one of the largest and most prestigious Financial firms in the US)
Children's Hospital of Philadelphia (best ranked and most prestigious Children's Hospital in the US)
Independence Blue Cross
AstraZeneca
HSBC Bank USA
Hyundai Rotem USA
ING Direct
IKEA North America
Subaru of America
TD Bank North America
Boeing Rotorcraft (subdivision of Boeing)
Rohm and Haas
Tastykake

...and on and on and on
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