When Philly puts Pennsylvania on the map again... (Philadelphia, Pittsburgh: 2013, home)

[phillies2011]

Originally Posted by gwillyfromphilly

I really do hate that term. I feel like it's an insult to anyone who has ever lived in the state.

I feel like it is an insult to people from Kentucky. What have they ever done to be compared to the middle of Pennsylvania?

[Craziaskowboi]

Originally Posted by gwillyfromphilly

I really do hate that term. I feel like it's an insult to anyone who has ever lived in the state.

You're not the only one. For that matter, I've actually been to Alabama several times, and the only way it reminded me of central Pennsylvania was the mountain ranges. I actually have a basis for comparison, unlike most of the *******s who believe in the "Philadelphia/Pittsburgh/Alabama" paradigm.

By the way, how is it that Minnesota can elect a lunatic like Michelle Bachmann and a moron like Pat Garofalo to public office and not get nearly the **** for it that Pennsylvania gets for Rick Santorum? At least Pennsylvania got rid of Santorum after they realized he's bat**** crazy.

[phillies2011]

Originally Posted by Gnutella

You're not the only one. For that matter, I've actually been to Alabama several times, and the only way it reminded me of central Pennsylvania was the mountain ranges. I actually have a basis for comparison, unlike most of the *******s who believe in the "Philadelphia/Pittsburgh/Alabama" paradigm.

By the way, how is it that Minnesota can elect a lunatic like Michelle Bachmann and a moron like Pat Garofalo to public office and not get nearly the **** for it that Pennsylvania gets for Rick Santorum? At least Pennsylvania got rid of Santorum after they realized he's bat**** crazy.

Haha you forgot to mention Jesse "the body" Ventura. Claiming to be better at electing politicians than the state of Minnesota is most assuredly a pathetically low bar to hurdle.

[Craziaskowboi]

Originally Posted by phillies2011

Haha you forgot to mention Jesse "the body" Ventura. Claiming to be better at electing politicians than the state of Minnesota is most assuredly a pathetically low bar to hurdle.

You're missing my point. Minnesota has elected plenty of idiots and crazies to public office, but nobody says that Minnesota is "backwards" for it, the way they do Pennsylvania for Rick Santorum, even though he was roundly rejected eight years ago and hasn't held public office since. Seems like a double standard to me.

[phillies2011]

Originally Posted by Gnutella

You're missing my point. Minnesota has elected plenty of idiots and crazies to public office, but nobody says that Minnesota is "backwards" for it, the way they do Pennsylvania for Rick Santorum, even though he was roundly rejected eight years ago and hasn't held public office since. Seems like a double standard to me.

You're forgetting a key fact here. No one really cares about Minnesota. If the state was a utopia and only elected certified geniuses people likely wouldn't care about that either. Besides the half life of mocking someone for electing rick santorum to any position for even a moment is about 20 years. We've still got years of shame ahead of us, buckle down.

[trackstar13]

Originally Posted by phillies2011

You're forgetting a key fact here. No one really cares about Minnesota. If the state was a utopia and only elected certified geniuses people likely wouldn't care about that either.

The first notion in your post is absurd, the Minneapolis/St.Paul area is a thriving world class metro with two major cities. There are many people who care about Minnesota and the political climate is very unique. There is definitely a major divide between the Twin Cities and the other parts of Minnesota, but overall the state is left leaning and very accepting of people of diverse backgrounds and lifestyles. It is surprising when people like Tim Pawlenty or Michele Bachmann are elected in the same state as Jesse Ventura and Al Franken.

[phillies2011]

Originally Posted by trackstar13

The first notion in your post is absurd, the Minneapolis/St.Paul area is a thriving world class metro with two major cities. There are many people who care about Minnesota and the political climate is very unique. There is definitely a major divide between the Twin Cities and the other parts of Minnesota, but overall the state is left leaning and very accepting of people of diverse backgrounds and lifestyles. It is surprising when people like Tim Pawlenty or Michele Bachmann are elected in the same state as Jesse Ventura and Al Franken.

I was joking. Cute that you think the twin cities are world class though. Endearing really.

[mancat100]

Originally Posted by soug

Bleh I honestly don't think of Philly as being PA at all. When I think of PA I think of Pennsyltucky and Pittsburgh. Philly is its own thing.

No offense, but it doesn't matter. Facts are facts. PA is very diverse and has many different "feels". That's part of its appeal. Also, Pennsyltucky? I wish that term would go away.

[FamousBlueRaincoat]

Originally Posted by phillies2011

I was joking. Cute that you think the twin cities are world class though. Endearing really.

The Twin Cities and Philadelphia are both ranked Beta cities I believe. They have a few things in common, one big one being that they tend to live in the shadows of other places. Chicago being their version of New York, DC, and Boston (of course, things are also more spread out in the midwest - Chicago's a good 8 hours away - so you have a little more sense of Minneapolis being the sort of "center of the universe" for many folks - in my five years there without a car, I rarely left the city for things that weren't really big events - here I go to other cities and towns all the time).

Really, they are pretty similar in terms of opportunities people often associate with the city - cultural and social stuff. They're honestly pretty similar as far as public transit goes - Philadelphia has the obviously bigger and better system, but Minneapolis has a pretty efficient system that can serves the core of the city well for those without a car (and the expanded area for those commuting downtown) and is doing much better at making improvements. What the Twin Cities has is an amazing economy - a 5% unemployment rate versus our 11%, and a downtown that is a much clearer center of commerce for the region that ours is. The big key to understanding Minneapolis is that there is so much attention and energy is in the neighborhoods, as the downtown area doesn't have that big of a residential population. And it's not (although there is plenty) so heavily based on young folks as our greater Center City area, something I really enjoyed (never quite having fit in well with folks my own age).

Not to nay say on Philadelphia, I've enjoyed my time here more than I did in Minneapolis, although not in every category. But you'd think that Philadelphians, more than anybody, would be above acting as if other places were insignificant, since they're so often on the wrong side of that silliness.

[Ohiogirl81]

Originally Posted by phillies2011

I was joking. Cute that you think the twin cities are world class though. Endearing really.

You need to get out more.