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Old 04-20-2014, 10:21 AM
 
Location: The Left Toast
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Being close to Wierton WV or Stuebanville OH doesnt count for p'burgh ?!?!? lol
I guess when I think about it, you are correct, Pittsburgh is sort of isolated
After living in the midwest a while, when I go back to Philly, it feels like the world is imploding. So many people, cars and chaos. Too fast paced and crowed for me, real dirty too. I dont know how I did it for all those years.
When you get off the plane and see all the dirt and trash at the airport, its sort of a portent of what you are in for.
I agree with all of the above.
DIRT....AND....TRASH....At The Airport???
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Old 04-20-2014, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I want to thank everyone for the great responses and valuable information that you have given me on this city. I have been doing research for a while and trying to compile enough information to make the best decision on my next move. I have one year from now before I move and I wanted to make my decision soon to start saving and preparing for it. After visiting Philly and loving it and getting the information that I have received on here I have decided that I am going to move to Philadelphia next May. I'm very excited about the move and again thank you for the help.
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Old 04-21-2014, 08:08 AM
 
Location: Northeast Suburbs of PITTSBURGH
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A lot of Pittsburgh is dirtier and more run down than Philly... And Pittsburgh doesn't have the vibrancy of Philly to match. Pittsburgh feels like a half empty city. And while Philly did lose population and is growin again, it still feels like it's bursting at the seams with people
No way. Seriously, Philadelphia has enough areas that are rundown to make a city the size of Pittsburgh. Philadelphia is getting better every year, but North Philadelphia is huge, and the majority is still very rundown. Not to mention SW Philly and portions of West Philly.
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Old 04-21-2014, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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I want to thank everyone for the great responses and valuable information that you have given me on this city. I have been doing research for a while and trying to compile enough information to make the best decision on my next move. I have one year from now before I move and I wanted to make my decision soon to start saving and preparing for it. After visiting Philly and loving it and getting the information that I have received on here I have decided that I am going to move to Philadelphia next May. I'm very excited about the move and again thank you for the help.
Woohoo! Welcome aboard the City of Brotherly Love Boat!
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Old 04-21-2014, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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No way. Seriously, Philadelphia has enough areas that are rundown to make a city the size of Pittsburgh. Philadelphia is getting better every year, but North Philadelphia is huge, and the majority is still very rundown. Not to mention SW Philly and portions of West Philly.
I meant that even the nice areas of Pittsburgh tend to look more rundown than the nice areas of Philly.

Am I wrong in saying that Pittsburgh feels half empty?

Pittsburgh does things better than Philly for sure, don't get me wrong, I love Pittsburgh. It just cracks me up when someone compares Pittsburgh to Philly because they really are in two different leagues.

North Philadelphia is 46.7 sq miles in total. I would say about 26 sq miles of that is ghetto. Remember there are nice areas of North Philly down around Center City and up towards the suburbs, and also the entire eastern half of Fairmount Park is in North Philly.
West Philadelphia is 14.2 sq miles in total. I would say about 3 sq miles of that is ghetto.
Southwest Philadelphia is 10.6 sq miles in total. Again I would say about 7 sq miles is ghetto.
On top of that, I would say there is about 3 sq miles of ghetto in the Riverwards, 1 sq mile of ghetto in Northwest Philadelphia, and probably about 4 sq miles of ghetto in Northeast Phialdelphia.

Total that is about 44 sq miles of ghetto in the city of Philadelphia. The total land area of Philadelphia is 134 sq miles. That's about 32% of the city is ghetto.

^^ That is what I always say. I always say about 30-40% of the city is rundown. You think Pittsburgh has less than 32% of the city which is rundown? No. I'm willing to bet it's about the same percentage.
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Old 04-21-2014, 10:36 AM
 
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No way. Seriously, Philadelphia has enough areas that are rundown to make a city the size of Pittsburgh. Philadelphia is getting better every year, but North Philadelphia is huge, and the majority is still very rundown. Not to mention SW Philly and portions of West Philly.
I agree. Also, parts of Northeast Philly are going downhill or are already there. Kensington is a mixed bag. Some parts are going through gentrification while others aren't fit for a dog to live in.

You are correct about North Philly.

Sure there are still some good neighborhoods left. However, I can see the bad passing by the good in a few years if the Section 8-ification of the Northeast continues.
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Old 04-21-2014, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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I meant that even the nice areas of Pittsburgh tend to look more rundown than the nice areas of Philly.

Am I wrong in saying that Pittsburgh feels half empty?

Pittsburgh does things better than Philly for sure, don't get me wrong, I love Pittsburgh. It just cracks me up when someone compares Pittsburgh to Philly because they really are in two different leagues.

North Philadelphia is 46.7 sq miles in total. I would say about 26 sq miles of that is ghetto. Remember there are nice areas of North Philly down around Center City and up towards the suburbs, and also the entire eastern half of Fairmount Park is in North Philly.
West Philadelphia is 14.2 sq miles in total. I would say about 3 sq miles of that is ghetto.
Southwest Philadelphia is 10.6 sq miles in total. Again I would say about 7 sq miles is ghetto.
On top of that, I would say there is about 3 sq miles of ghetto in the Riverwards, 1 sq mile of ghetto in Northwest Philadelphia, and probably about 4 sq miles of ghetto in Northeast Phialdelphia.

Total that is about 44 sq miles of ghetto in the city of Philadelphia. The total land area of Philadelphia is 134 sq miles. That's about 32% of the city is ghetto.

^^ That is what I always say. I always say about 30-40% of the city is rundown. You think Pittsburgh has less than 32% of the city which is rundown? No. I'm willing to bet it's about the same percentage.

Your well researched mathematical formulas will serve many!

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=broad...88.39,,0,-8.75
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Old 04-21-2014, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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I agree. Also, parts of Northeast Philly are going downhill or are already there. Kensington is a mixed bag. Some parts are going through gentrification while others aren't fit for a dog to live in.

You are correct about North Philly.

Sure there are still some good neighborhoods left. However, I can see the bad passing by the good in a few years if the Section 8-ification of the Northeast continues.
The up and coming and gentrifying areas of South Philadelphia, Lower North Philadelphia, West Philadelphia and Fishtown are growing, moving and changing at a MUCH faster rate than the declining areas of Lower North Philadelphia.
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Old 04-21-2014, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Your well researched mathematical formulas will serve many!

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=broad...88.39,,0,-8.75
What was the point of this link? Broad and Fairmount is actually an intersection at the epicenter of a rapidly changing area of Lower North Philadelphia. You have Spring Garden and Francisville to the West, both rapidly changing areas, and Spring Arts/Poplar and Northern Liberties to the East. To the north you have Templetown. These are all rapidly changing and gentrifying areas. The only hurdle for the area remains the Richard Allen projects in West Poplar.

I can post pictures of abandoned and run down areas of Pittsburgh as well:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Al...5f488735285334
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Old 04-21-2014, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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What was the point of this link? Broad and Fairmount is actually an intersection at the epicenter of a rapidly changing area of Lower North Philadelphia. You have Spring Garden and Francisville to the West, both rapidly changing areas, and Spring Arts/Poplar and Northern Liberties to the East. To the north you have Templetown. These are all rapidly changing and gentrifying areas. The only hurdle for the area remains the Richard Allen projects in West Poplar.
Two reasons. The first is that I'm greatly intrigued by your ghetto-metrics and want to know what you classify that particular block as.

Second is because it's a dirty, trashy, gritty area extremely close to Center City that often costs a great deal to live in.

Philadelphia is known for its gritty feel - in fact, it's why a lot of people like it. It's part of why I like it, although I wish there was less abandonment that went along with the grit. People come on this website all the time and say they like the grittiness of Philadelphia. It's no secret.

I think it's silly to classify Pittsburgh as a half empty city compared to Philadelphia, when a great deal of urban Philadelphia (meaning the parts with frequent rapid transit, with former commercial and industrial bases, and formed along the Philadelphia, Kensington, and Germantown grids) suffers almost the exact same half-empty problem.

At the same time, there are a bunch of reasons one would prefer to live in Philadelphia over Pittsburgh or Portland - I myself chose Philly over Pittsburgh a few years ago, and I don't feel that it was a bad decision.

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