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Old 08-16-2015, 07:11 AM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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probably because germantown, mt. airy and such were their own townships before being consolidated into the city...but so were all the other sections of philly other than center city...but exactly, nobody say's northwest philly..
Maybe more accurately, because the townships and boroughs of Northwest Philadelphia were longer established and more populous than those of Northeast Philadelphia at the time of consolidation in 1854.

Germantown is the second-oldest community within the current Philadelhphia city limits, founded in 1683 by Francis Pastorius. (You can find in Benjamin Franklin's writings some pretty intemperate things he said about the German immigrants.) It had grown and developed to the point where Germantown Borough (present-day Germantown) was carved out of Germantown Township (present-day Mt. Airy and Chestnut Hill) in the mid-1700s (date IIRC).

Likewise, Manayunk Borough was carved out of Roxborough Township. That makes two dense population nodes in the Northwest.

The Northeast had only one dense populatlon node: the cluster of boroughs at its southern tip - Frankford, Aramingo, Bridesburg and Whitehall. Above these lay only sparsely settled townships.

In other words, the Northwest had already been differentiated in a way the Northeast wasn't at consolidation.

West Philadelphia was one of two districts (Belmont being the other) and two townships (Blockley and Kingsessing) extant at consolidation.

Oddly enough, even though there was significant dense development just south of South Street as of consolidation - part of the impetus for consolidating Philadelphia County into a single municipality was to better control interethnic (and intra-ethnic) violence in Southwark and Moyamensing - there were no boroughs in South Philadelphia either; just Passyunk Township (the bulk of the territory) and the districts of Southwark and Moyamensing. (The "district" as a form of municipality has disappeared from Pennsylvania's hierarchy of municipalities, but judging from the map of Philadelphia on the eve of consolidation, I'm guessing that "districts" were more densely developed than "townships" but not as dense as "boroughs." Of course, then as now, it's quite likely that the boundaries between the categories were very blurry.)
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Old 08-17-2015, 01:32 PM
 
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I wonder what happened to the "district." I was once in the East Fork District in Potter County, incorporated about ~10 years ago into Wharton Township, but that locale was back corner of backwoods even by Potter County standards.
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Old 08-20-2015, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Well it's interesting because, for example, with St. Louis one calls the St. Louis regions in Illinois "East St. Louis", but people are reluctant to call Philadelphian areas of New Jersey "East Philadelphia". I wonder why.
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Old 08-20-2015, 09:51 PM
 
Location: East Central Pennsylvania/ Chicago for 6yrs.
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Well it's interesting because, for example, with St. Louis one calls the St. Louis regions in Illinois "East St. Louis", but people are reluctant to call Philadelphian areas of New Jersey "East Philadelphia". I wonder why.
It's because of Camden, NJ. Totally... they hate affiliation with NJ across the Delaware River....because of it.
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Old 08-20-2015, 11:30 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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I've been to Philly numerous times but I haven't been to Camden so I'm not quite sure what you mean.
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Old 08-20-2015, 11:55 PM
 
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I've been to Philly numerous times but I haven't been to Camden so I'm not quite sure what you mean.
Steeps does not know what he's talking about. Philadelphians do not hate NJ. Three counties in south Jersey are officially part of the Phila. metro area. Lots of people who originated in the city now live in those counties.
The NJ seashore towns are beloved by Philadelphians... particularly in summer.

What Steeps may be referring to is how upsetting it is that Camden is in such a dire situation. But because it's in a different state, what happens there is not something we, in Phila., can, affectively, control.
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Old 08-21-2015, 03:55 AM
 
Location: East Central Pennsylvania/ Chicago for 6yrs.
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Steeps does not know what he's talking about. Philadelphians do not hate NJ. Three counties in south Jersey are officially part of the Phila. metro area. Lots of people who originated in the city now live in those counties.
The NJ seashore towns are beloved by Philadelphians... particularly in summer.

What Steeps may be referring to is how upsetting it is that Camden is in such a dire situation. But because it's in a different state, what happens there is not something we, in Phila., can, affectively, control.
Yes the question I commented on was about NJ disliked. As you acknowledged.... many just say ooooh that's another state. LOL. But it is NOT HATE....EXCEPT FOR CAMDEN, NJ. THAT Area Philadelphians DO HATE AFFILIATED WITH. But they should realize.... being it is merely across the Ben Franklin Bridge. As is ALL NJ. It IS AS PART OF PHILLY'S METRO AS ANY PA side Suburbs. Including Camden.

My point was the dislike suggested toward NJ... NOT BY ME. I thought I was clarifying in a reply, by saying ... not ALL NJ... its ALL about and toward Camden.

I hope I was clearer about it...
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Old 08-21-2015, 07:19 AM
 
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Yes the question I commented on was about NJ disliked. As you acknowledged.... many just say ooooh that's another state. LOL. But it is NOT HATE....EXCEPT FOR CAMDEN, NJ. THAT Area Philadelphians DO HATE AFFILIATED WITH. But they should realize.... being it is merely across the Ben Franklin Bridge. As is ALL NJ. It IS AS PART OF PHILLY'S METRO AS ANY PA side Suburbs. Including Camden.

My point was the dislike suggested toward NJ... NOT BY ME. I thought I was clarifying in a reply, by saying ... not ALL NJ... its ALL about and toward Camden.

I hope I was clearer about it...
Trenton, NJ has has more influence on what happens and will happen in Camden.
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Old 08-21-2015, 01:18 PM
 
Location: New York City
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Yes the question I commented on was about NJ disliked. As you acknowledged.... many just say ooooh that's another state. LOL. But it is NOT HATE....EXCEPT FOR CAMDEN, NJ. THAT Area Philadelphians DO HATE AFFILIATED WITH. But they should realize.... being it is merely across the Ben Franklin Bridge. As is ALL NJ. It IS AS PART OF PHILLY'S METRO AS ANY PA side Suburbs. Including Camden.

My point was the dislike suggested toward NJ... NOT BY ME. I thought I was clarifying in a reply, by saying ... not ALL NJ... its ALL about and toward Camden.

I hope I was clearer about it...
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Old 08-21-2015, 01:25 PM
 
Location: SC
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Although there is no official East Philadelphia, I always considered Philadelphia's Alphabet City, Kensington and Fishtown neighborhoods to be it.
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