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Old 02-09-2008, 06:33 AM
 
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Agree with Rainrock. I think South Jersey is nice b/c you can be close to the city, and the shore, and it's generally more affordable, but let's not get crazy with your spin. Even saying that South Jersey has it's own economy is somewhat misleading. Last I read there's about as much office space in Montgomery County as all of South Jersey. Try looking this up in google.

I can understand you want to promo your region (it's actually refreshing to see someone from NJ saying nice things about NJ), but don't make statements that the PA suburbs of Philadelphia are stagnant and blue collar - that claim is flat out ridiculous. Eastern Delco is blue collar, and so is lower Bucks, but you need to heed your own quote: "You have a lot to learn about the economic vibrancy of the region you live."

I think your comment about SJ having more amenities is pretty far-fetched as well. If you do some research you'll find there's wealth in the Main Line and yes even in lowly Philadelphia that you have absolutely no idea about. Just because Moorestown got #1 on Money Maganize's list a couple years ago doesn't mean you can make propesterous claims.
Unfortunately, you are uneducated on the topic. SJ is the only growth engine in the Philly metro area and it is the growth engine for the State as a whole. Property taxes in NJ are much worse than PA, it is not more affordable especially on a square foot basis.

 
Old 02-09-2008, 06:43 AM
 
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Philadelphia Business Journal - Fastest growing companies in SJ. Where have you guys been in the past 10 years?

http://www.teambuildersplus.com/pdf/06.15.2007.pbj.sj25..pdf (broken link)

NJ is the phamaceutical capital of the world. Hey, Moorestown was rated #1 in America. I don't need to boast anything here. I'm just educating you on the region that you live - which BTW you should be proud of.
 
Old 02-09-2008, 06:49 AM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
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Re-read my post, it was edited. Your numbers are completely wrong. Median family income in Moorestown is $95K. That is actually low because there is a lower-income older section of M-town that drives down the average.

Again Fortune 500 has nothing to do with it. Philly is going to have Fortune 500 that relocate out of the region and take jobs with it. SJ is the economic growth engine of the region.
The numbers arent wrong.Stop fiddling around with wikipedia and go uncover the real story.

bizjournals: How 100 counties ranked in wealth (http://www.bizjournals.com/specials/pages/126.html - broken link)


Are you a recent South Jersey transplant by any chance? Why I ask that is that your point of view is pretty narrow minded- and no offense- but you dont seem to have a firm grasp on the area. Certainly not SE pa. South Jersey except for the city of Camden and a few small towns was almost all farmland 40 years ago. Meanwhile SE Pa had a population of 3,000,000 people. Its much further advanced than South Jersey and just about every facet of that shows. From corporate HQ,s better housing stock, more colleges and universities. Your South Jersy has superior amenities comment was just bizarre.
 
Old 02-09-2008, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Montco PA
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Philadelphia Business Journal - Fastest growing companies in SJ. Where have you guys been in the past 10 years?

http://www.teambuildersplus.com/pdf/06.15.2007.pbj.sj25..pdf (broken link)

NJ is the phamaceutical capital of the world. Hey, Moorestown was rated #1 in America. I don't need to boast anything here. I'm just educating you on the region that you live - which BTW you should be proud of.
I'm done with this thread. I just checked out other posts by MoorestownResident, and it's all generally anti-PA, anti-parts of NJ that aren't Moorestown. What we have here is someone with something to prove about his adopted hometown, someone who might have some sort of chip on their shoulder.
 
Old 02-09-2008, 07:02 AM
 
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You've been living under a 'Rock'. I grew up in Camden County and apparently have much more info about the region than you, no big deal, just get out of your house and see more with an open mind.

The population of the City of Philadelphia proper is 1,491,812. The next five largest cities/towns in the region are Camden NJ (84,844), Cherry Hill, NJ (69,319), Levittown, PA (55,362), Chester, PA (40,660) and Willingboro, NJ (36,291).

It's actually closer to 2.3 million versus 1.5 million.

Population:

Pennsylvania
Bucks ............. 605,379
Chester............443,346
Delaware..........551,158
Montgomery......759,953

New Jersey

Mercer............367,605
Burlington.........432,121
Camden ......... 509,350
Gloucester........259,347
 
Old 02-09-2008, 07:03 AM
 
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I'm done with this thread. I just checked out other posts by MoorestownResident, and it's all generally anti-PA, anti-parts of NJ that aren't Moorestown. What we have here is someone with something to prove about his adopted hometown, someone who might have some sort of chip on their shoulder.
Not true, I'm just having fun dude. It is funny, though, how little you know about SJ but you know what? It doesn't matter.
 
Old 02-09-2008, 07:24 AM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
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Mercer County is part of the NYC metro. I dont necessarily agree with that but thats the way it is.

State and County QuickFacts

Median income 2004

Chester County $69,904
Montgomery County $65,889
Bucks County $64,696
Burlington County $63,354
Gloucester County $59,516
Delaware County $51,287
Camden County $48,748

Population-2006

PA burbs= 2,437,000
NJ burbs= 1,249,659


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Old 02-09-2008, 07:56 AM
 
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Mercer is officially classified in the Delaware Valley which is the greater Philadelphia region. It is also opposite Bucks County, also in the DV, so that obviously makes sense.

Imageelawarevalleymap.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Income numbers at the county level are basically the same. As I told you before, Burlington is the largest county in NJ and goes to the shore, only about half the county is geographically tied to Philly are so it is wealthier than Bucks County since the averages are so close.

There is a reason why the highest rated towns over the years in Money especially in 2005 when they focused more on small towns in major metro areas are NJ towns in the greater DV area. Props to Blue Bell for making the Top 15 along-side Princeton and Moorestown.
 
Old 02-09-2008, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
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Mercer is officially classified in the Delaware Valley which is the greater Philadelphia region. It is also opposite Bucks County, also in the DV, so that obviously makes sense.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imageelawarevalleymap.png]Imageelawarevalleymap.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url
Quit while you are behind. A little friendly advice, stop getting your info from wikipedia unless you want to look like a stooge. Mercer is not included in Philadlephia's CMSA or the PMSA. NYC political power somehow stole Mercer County away from the Philadelphia metro. Doesnt make any sense to me seeing how Trenton is 10 miles away from NE Philly and 70 miles from Manhattan but it is what it is.

And by the below chart you can easily see the NW suburbs of Philadelphia are the growth leaders of the metro.



Area Census Population Change, 1990 to 2000
April 1, 2000 April 1, 1990 Number Percent

Philadelphia--Wilmington--Atlantic City, PA--NJ--DE--MD CMSA 6,188,463 5,892,937 295,526 5.00%
-Atlantic--Cape May, NJ PMSA 354,878 319,416 35,462 11.10%
--Atlantic County 252,552 224,327 28,225 12.60%
--Cape May County 102,326 95,089 7,237 7.60%
-Philadelphia, PA--NJ PMSA 5,100,931 4,922,175 178,756 3.60%
--Burlington County, NJ 423,394 395,066 28,328 7.20%
--Camden County, NJ 508,932 502,824 6,108 1.20%
--Gloucester County, NJ 254,673 230,082 24,591 10.70%
--Salem County, NJ 64,285 65,294 -1,009 -1.50%
--Bucks County, PA 597,635 541,174 56,461 10.40%
--Chester County, PA 433,501 376,396 57,105 15.20%
--Delaware County, PA 550,864 547,651 3,213 0.60%
--Montgomery County, PA 750,097 678,111 71,986 10.60%
--Philadelphia County, PA 1,517,550 1,585,577 -68,027 -4.30%
-Vineland--Millville--Bridgeton, NJ PMSA 146,438 138,053 8,385 6.10%
--Cumberland County, NJ 146,438 138,053 8,385 6.10%
-Wilmington--Newark, DE--MD PMSA 586,216 513,293 72,923 14.20%
--New Castle County, DE 500,265 441,946 58,319 13.20%
--Cecil County, MD
 
Old 02-09-2008, 09:52 AM
 
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I love south jersey and have lived here most of my life but I have to agree with rainrock here. Main Line wealth cannot compare to SJ wealth. The majority of white-collar jobs are located in center city and the KoP-Great Valley-Exton corridor. Sure Cherry Hill and Mt Laurel have a fair share but it just doesnt compare.

As far as Mercer County goes.....its actually part of its own MSA - Trenton-Ewing NJ MSA. It is one of those weird counties that receives both Philly and NYC media. But in recent years I think it has become more tied to the NYC metro than Philly metro. This is easily evidenced on the NJ forum where people are moving to West Windsor, Princeton Junction, Hamilton and commuting on the NE corridor to NYC.
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