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Old 01-22-2008, 12:35 PM
 
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Even the "Native" Americans are immigrants, it just depends when you came here.

Anyway, the difference is that my German ancestors and my husband's Italian ancestors didn't come here and expect everyone to speak German and Italian...they learned English! They also worked hard and didn't expect handouts from anyone.
That's actually a gross over-simplification. Alot of first generation immigrants actually never learned English at a conversational level. They lived in ghettos where they didn't have to.

People don't really understand that, after the age about 12, it is very difficult for someone to become "native" in a language, and after about 20 real fluencey in a near impossibility. The human brain is tuned into picking up language at a very particular age. There are individuals who do much better, but they aren't very common.

Of course, if you achieve multi-lingualism at an early age, then it becomes far easier to learn new languages later in life, but, again, most people, even in Europe never learn that much.
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Old 01-22-2008, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Town of Herndon/DC Metro
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I'm convinced that this sign wouldn't have been such a big deal if Geno had not taped it directly over the sign that states "Owners have right to refuse service".
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Old 01-22-2008, 09:08 PM
 
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This is so simple. If they can't understand you in any other language than English, then they can't provide you what you want. The sign basically says that the staff only speaks English. Why is this such a problem?!? Friggin' drive by media..who'e behind this, Al "no good" Sharpton
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Old 01-22-2008, 10:11 PM
 
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I'm convinced that this sign wouldn't have been such a big deal if Geno had not taped it directly over the sign that states "Owners have right to refuse service".
If you are insinuating this is a race issue, most African-Americans do, in fact, speak English.
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Old 01-23-2008, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Town of Herndon/DC Metro
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If you are insinuating this is a race issue, most African-Americans do, in fact, speak English.
I don't get how it could be a race issue . Basically he has a rude sign right next to another rude sign so I can see how it would be double insulting
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So are you saying that when I see a refuse service sign, it's a code for, we don't serve non whites? Wow this town is so racist.

Last edited by leighland; 01-23-2008 at 07:36 AM.. Reason: oh NOW i get it
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Old 01-23-2008, 12:17 PM
 
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I totally agree with him!!!! I can't stand when you have to call anywhere anymore and you get non-american speaking people who don't understand what you are talking about! If I'm already pissed because I can't figure something out and have to call for help....why would I want to talk to someone who can't even speak English!!!!!
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Old 01-23-2008, 12:29 PM
 
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Let's keep this focused on Geno's. There is a political forum available for the broader discussion.
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Old 01-23-2008, 12:47 PM
 
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I don't get how it could be a race issue . Basically he has a rude sign right next to another rude sign so I can see how it would be double insulting
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So are you saying that when I see a refuse service sign, it's a code for, we don't serve non whites? Wow this town is so racist.
"Right to Refuse Service" is often seen as meaning "Right to Refuse Service Based on Race"... even if that has nothing to do with it. I thought that was what you were going for.
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Old 01-23-2008, 01:44 PM
 
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"Right to Refuse Service" is often seen as meaning "Right to Refuse Service Based on Race"... even if that has nothing to do with it. I thought that was what you were going for.
I wasn't going there but do you think Geno is? Jeez, I'll go to Tony Lukes instead..
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Old 01-24-2008, 02:24 AM
 
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I wasn't going there but do you think Geno is? Jeez, I'll go to Tony Lukes instead..
No, no... that's not what I meant. I meant that I thought that you were implying that they were using language as an excuse to not serve people of a different race.

There were once court battles fought over whether store owners could refuse service based on race. The segregationists lost, but there is a strong tendency now to see any assertion by a store owner of their right to refuse service as being discriminatory, when it might not be anything of the sort.
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