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Old 04-30-2016, 06:23 AM
 
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Don't be so certain a Center City location would "add the enjoyment to the fan."
Not everybody thinks Center City is the be-all-to-end-all.


Allure? If the park was in Center City it still wouldn't sell out when they stink and it would still be full when they're good.


And why do you think it would generate the most economic activity? Not every Phillies fan wants to hang in a bar Downtown or go to a pricey restaurant before or after the game.


The current location is perfect for what most people want when going to a game.
Hey, we agree.

I was very excited about the B and SG location initially but, as time went by, it seemed more like a neighborhood killer, imo. Nowadays I can't picture the ball park being there especially since there's been significant gentrification nearby.

A number of companies(including channel 3 and kyw newsradio)are now resident in the old SmithKline headquarters, 1500 Spring Garden. That building would have been torn down for the ball park, a structure that would have been fairly unused for weeks at a time during the the off-season.
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Old 04-30-2016, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Hey, we agree.

Don't let it happen again.
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Old 04-30-2016, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
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Don't be so certain a Center City location would "add the enjoyment to the fan."
Not everybody thinks Center City is the be-all-to-end-all.
There is a certain sense of nostagia when going to Pittsburgh,SF, Fenway. Beside the fact that fans will absolutely financially support nearby bars/restaurants/hotels there is a special ambience about watching a ball game in downtown enviorns.

Id put Philadlephia in with the mangy ball park group like KC, Cincinnati, Atlanta etc etc. Just a boring forgetful place to see a game and immediately vacate.




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Allure? If the park was in Center City it still wouldn't sell out when they stink and it would still be full when they're good.
But when the team is good imo you would have a dynamically special situation downtown and you would have 4 Million people walking around Center City spending money. Win Win situation.


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And why do you think it would generate the most economic activity? Not every Phillies fan wants to hang in a bar Downtown or go to a pricey restaurant before or after the game.
As is virtually no Phillies/Flyers/Sixers/eagles fans support Center Citys 3000 small businesses on game day. To say there wouldnt be a significant economic benefit of having upwards of an additional 10 M people annually in the vacinity of Center City seems absurd. And the added vibrancy easily supecedes any hassles with traffic/noise etc etc imo.


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The current location is perfect for what most people want when going to a game.
Maybe true but the current situation is atrocious not to mention economically derelict. Just because a bunch of Delco troglodytes and South Jersey slackers like the convenience of the current stadium location doesnt make it the most beneficial location.
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Old 05-01-2016, 04:03 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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@Rainrock - If Citizens Bank Park is so "mangy, boring and forgetful"' why is it considered one of the best ballparks in all of Major League Baseball?
And I've been to Fenway and Pittsburgh and it doesn't feel any more nostalgic than CBP. You're really reaching here.
And as I've stated before - Phillies fans don't want to walk around Center City spending money before and after the game. They want to tailgate with their own beer and buy a Schmitter inside the park and then maybe go to Pat's and Geno's afterwards.
Plus, do you not realize XFinity Live, McFadden's and all the other joints inside the park are creating revenue for the City? They definitely do "economically benefit" the City. It's not all about "small businesses."

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Old 05-01-2016, 10:04 AM
 
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@Rainrock - If Citizens Bank Park is so "mangy, boring and forgetful"' why is it considered one of the best ballparks in all of Major League Baseball?
I agree with this.

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And I've been to Fenway and Pittsburgh and it doesn't feel any more nostalgic than CBP. You're really reaching here.
disagree with this. I have only ever saw a game at Fenway, but I thought the neighborhood vibe was killer.

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And as I've stated before - Phillies fans don't want to walk around Center City spending money before and after the game. They want to tailgate with their own beer and buy a Schmitter inside the park and then maybe go to Pat's and Geno's afterwards.
Just because all you want to do is drink beer and eat sandwiches doesn't mean that is what everyone does lol.. BTW the Schmitter has been retired from CBP this year. It is suppose to come back but who knows,

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Plus, do you not realize XFinity Live, McFadden's and all the other joints inside the park are creating revenue for the City? They definitely do "economically benefit" the City. It's not all about "small businesses."
In my opinion, the sports complex just needs something else. It probably makes more sense to put a casino there than anywhere else. I just don't know if our area really needs another casino. Especially since the whole generation that loved betting on horse racing/going to AC for the weekend is beginning to die off. I think it would be awesome if there was like an amusement park down there, but Dorney/Hershey/Six Flags are all quality and draw a lot of people. There isn't enough room for that anyway.

I actually think redesigning and landscaping some of the parking lots and sidewalks could spruce up the area nicely. Make like a central walk way with some trees and flowers from AT&T station.
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Old 05-02-2016, 07:24 AM
 
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In my opinion, the sports complex just needs something else. It probably makes more sense to put a casino there than anywhere else. I just don't know if our area really needs another casino. Especially since the whole generation that loved betting on horse racing/going to AC for the weekend is beginning to die off. I think it would be awesome if there was like an amusement park down there, but Dorney/Hershey/Six Flags are all quality and draw a lot of people. There isn't enough room for that anyway.

I actually think redesigning and landscaping some of the parking lots and sidewalks could spruce up the area nicely. Make like a central walk way with some trees and flowers from AT&T station.
It doesn't look like anyone else remembers, but Xfinity Live was intended to be a LOT more significant than the final plans ended up being. What's there now was only supposed to be "phase 1." The actual "Philly Live!" project should have been a 300,000 ft mixed use complex- six times larger than what's there currently.


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2008, Comcast-Spectacor and Cordish Company unveiled plans to build a roughly 300,000-square-foot entertainment complex, complete with bars, stores, hotels and more. The unstable economy over the last few years has shrunk that dream to the modest-looking 50,000 square foot complex you see being built diagonal to Citizens Bank Park.

Everything You Want To Know About “Philly Live!”… Which Will Actually Be Called “XFINITY Live! Philadelphia” – Crossing Broad
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Old 05-03-2016, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Just because all you want to do is drink beer and eat sandwiches doesn't mean that is what everyone does lol.. BTW the Schmitter has been retired from CBP this year. It is suppose to come back but who knows,



*I* don't eat sandwiches at CBP, I rarely if ever spend money there. BUT, many, many sports fans do ... Many. I do like to have a few bottles of beer in the parking lot beforehand, though. Crazy, right?


What exactly do you want to do when you go to a Phillies or Eagles game?


It'd be like me, a carnivore, going to a weirdo vegan restaurant then complaining there's nothing for me.

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Old 05-03-2016, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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In my opinion, the sports complex just needs something else.
Why? What, are we all little babies who need to be entertained with every step we take? If you want Disneyland, you can always go to Florida. lol
Sports complexes should be about sports.
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Old 05-04-2016, 06:56 AM
 
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Why? What, are we all little babies who need to be entertained with every step we take? If you want Disneyland, you can always go to Florida. lol
Sports complexes should be about sports.
You told me not to agree with you again but...

You can tell from the current Phillies thread who actually cares about baseball and/or spends any time following the Phillies.
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Old 05-04-2016, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
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@Rainrock -
And I've been to Fenway and Pittsburgh and it doesn't feel any more nostalgic than CBP.
Absurd.



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And as I've stated before - Phillies fans don't want to walk around Center City spending money before and after the game.
Perhaps you and your friends and other Phillies do prefer that method but I'm trying to indoctronize you to a more sophisticated way of life.

Its much better to jump on the train , enjoy the city, watch your ball game/entertainment event, grab a drink, jump back on the train to home.

Try visiting Center Citys restaurants and bars its in a different stratosphere than Broad + Pattisons emptiness.



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Plus, do you not realize XFinity Live
xfinity live is a cheezy simulation of real world entertainment.

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