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[NYtoNJtoPA]

Originally Posted by southbound_295

Ashland is an unincorporated community that's in both Cherry Hill & Voorhees.

Forgot about Ashland. There is also Echelon while we're at it. But I've never seen envelopes addressed with those names on them. Can they do that? The zip code for Voorhees is all 08043. Cherry Hill has three, 08002, 08003 and 08034 and AFAIK they all say Cherry Hill when you google them.

[NYtoNJtoPA]

Originally Posted by Gerania

Everything in Evesham Township is Marlton post office. There's a Medford Village and Medford Lakes Borough, but it's all the same zip code.

Right but I have seen both "Evesham, NJ" and "Marlton, NJ" addressed envelopes and stuff. It is all 08053. I don't know anything about Medford. I know people who live in Medford Lakes but never visited. I have an uncle who wanted to move there but my aunt didn't like it.

Originally Posted by Gerania

I get what you mean about townships being a subdivision of a county. If you live out in the country in, say, Venango County, you are a township. The township is the local government and they provide the services.

I've seen Falls Twp police cars in my neighborhood. I also get emails from the township about hydrant flushing twice a year. I stand corrected. But what is this Lower Bucks County Joint Municipal Authority thing?

[Ms_Christina]

Originally Posted by NYtoNJtoPA

That was one thing I noticed about it here when I moved from NJ. Townships in PA are just subdivisions of the county, and the towns are just zip code tabulation areas. My town exists in portions of three townships in Bucks County. Jersey I believe is the only state that is fully incorporated and towns all have distinct boundaries.

Nope, our town in south jersey is in 2 townships. We pay both townships for different services.

[jman07]

Originally Posted by Becca8377

You do realize you can Google this, correct?

Yes. This list was part pointing out odd things and part questioning them.

[Gerania]

Originally Posted by NYtoNJtoPA

Forgot about Ashland. There is also Echelon while we're at it. But I've never seen envelopes addressed with those names on them. Can they do that? The zip code for Voorhees is all 08043. Cherry Hill has three, 08002, 08003 and 08034 and AFAIK they all say Cherry Hill when you google them.

Echelon is an unincorporated community, not a town.

No idea what's going on in Lower Bucks. A friend lives in Bensalem, but it's never come up.

[LibraGirl123]

Originally Posted by NYtoNJtoPA

I wasn't using "town" as a technical term. I live in Levittown, which is a census-designated place and zip code tabulation area in Pennsylvania. My township is Falls, but you don't address an envelope "Falls, PA", or "Middletown, PA" for Levittown. The only time you address an envelope "Bristol, PA" is when referring to Bristol Boro or areas of Bristol Twp outside of Levittown, Croydon or Newportville which are other unincorporated areas within Bristol Twp. From what I understand, Langhorne is the name that is used for Middletown Twp when referring to areas beyond Levittown, and there is also Parkland and Woodbourne, which I'm not sure if you address an envelope with those names or not, I've never seen it. Fairless Hills is also split between Falls and Bristol Townships. There is also Tullytown Borough which also contains some of Levittown, but I've seen Tullytown as an address.

One thing I haven't quite figured out is what constitutes Feasterville and what constitutes Trevose. I know it's mostly Lower Southampton Twp, but Trevose is supposed to be split between LS and Bensalem Twps. All of Bensalem is in Bensalem Twp, but not all of Bensalem Twp is Bensalem. There is Cornwells Heights, Eddington and Andalusia as well and they all use the same zip code. Feasterville appears to be mostly centered around the intersection of Street Rd and Bustleton Ave while Trevose is centered around Street Rd and Trevose Ave which extends from Brownsville Rd, correct? On the Lower Southampton/Bensalem Twp line. But where does Trevose end and Feasterville begin?

In New Jersey, the name of an area is usually the township's name and what constitutes its boundaries and stuff. This is all I am saying. Cherry Hill is a township. Voorhees is a township. And no other names are used in place of those. OK, Evesham includes Marlton which is a historic area that is a few blocks and because that is where their post office is, "Marlton" is often used in place of the township's name, but this is the exception to the rule in NJ.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZIP_co...s_zoning_lines

A ZIP code's address and the city name written on the same line do not necessarily mean that address is within the boundaries of that city. The Postal Service designates one preferred place name for each ZIP code. This may be an actual incorporated town or city, a subentity of a large city or an unincorporated census-designated place, or a small unincorporated community. Additional place names may be recognized as acceptable for a certain ZIP code. Still others are deemed not acceptable, and if used may result in a delay in mail delivery.

[Shadoo]

Originally Posted by jman07

So why the senseless stupid rules in the first place?

Old Quaker laws. Pennsylvania and Philadelphia were founded by Quakers and a lot of their traditions and rules have carried through. For example Sororities are illegal because they were considered to close to brothels.

[southbound_295]

Originally Posted by NYtoNJtoPA

Forgot about Ashland. There is also Echelon while we're at it. But I've never seen envelopes addressed with those names on them. Can they do that? The zip code for Voorhees is all 08043. Cherry Hill has three, 08002, 08003 and 08034 and AFAIK they all say Cherry Hill when you google them.

Most people simply use Voorhees or Cherry Hill for Ashland locations. All people in Ashland used to use Ashland only, 40/50 years ago & all Ashland mail went through the Woodcrest post office. For a while, they addressed their mail Ashland, Woodcrest, Cherry Hill. That all fizzled out with automation of mail sorting.

For that matter, if you find an old enough map, you can find Erlton & Ellisburg listed within Delaware Township, which became Cherry Hill.

[ksqdomer]

Originally Posted by kyb01

Start with the 18th amendment to the US Constitution which prohibited legal alcohol sales in the
US for 13 years which was ultimately ended by the 21st amendment. PA state government ended up controlling the distribution of alcohol after that and still does today.

I agree it's dumb to continue with such archaic system. But the PA Liquor Control Board controls it all, including beer sales and bar liquor licenses. The state liquor(wine and spirits shops) stores make a lot income for the state. It's going to be difficult to change for that fact alone.

Actually they really don't make very much for the state. As a matter of fact for the first time in their audit last year they had to add their medical and pension liability like any other business and they are 240 million in the red. That 80 million transfer will shrink quickly. They exist currently as a patronage jobs program backed by the UFCW union.

[Burger Fan]

Originally Posted by Shadoo

Old Quaker laws. Pennsylvania and Philadelphia were founded by Quakers and a lot of their traditions and rules have carried through. For example Sororities are illegal because they were considered to close to brothels.

This isn't true, really. Quakers were long gone (or at least culturally irrelevant and few in number) by the time the PLCB was created. The reason why PA has the liquor set up it does, is because of prohibition. Alcohol was illegal EVERYWHERE until the 21st amendment was passed. PA was one of the states not too happy about alcohol becoming legal across the board (PA was one of the last to ratify the 21st, and did so via a convention that bypassed the state legislature), but was the only one to establish a state run liquor control board to regulate all alcohol sales. Why did it do this?

The PLCB was established in conjunction with the 21st Amendment and the repeal of prohibition. In 1933, just four days before the sale of alcohol became legal in Pennsylvania, the Board was officially organized. Upon its creation, Governor Gifford Pinchot stated that the purpose of the Board was to "discourage the purchase of alcoholic beverages by making it as inconvenient and expensive as possible."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsy..._Control_Board


Basically the PLCB was established as an F-You to the passing of the 21st amendment. Other states have or had blue laws to make the sale of alcohol inconvenient, but PA was the only one that designed an entire state run distribution system to make it as difficult as possible.


It's stuck around as long as it has because it turns out that the PLCB is quite profitable for the state and it's worker unions, and anti-alcohol groups like MADD and religious organizations see privatization and expanded access to alcohol as a bad thing.


edit: the brothel thing is also urban legend and has never been true.


http://www.snopes.com/college/halls/brothel.asp