Sure hope these kids have cars. Lol (Philadelphia, Erie: 2013, buying a house)

[kyb01]

Originally Posted by 1ondoner

Your argument does not hold water because it's cheaper to live in the suburbs if the goal is to save money. Not having a car in the city is more to do with affordability than to do with saving money. People living in the city pay a premium for everything, so please spare us the cost saving argument.

BTW, I'm not any different from the millennials when I was in my twenties. I've been through this shi.t where I thought I couldn't live anywhere else other than in central London.

Have you actually succeeded at "winning over" anyone on here? Lol. You love your lifestyle while some of us disagree. Deal with it. Move on.

[1ondoner]

This is a contest of ideas and many people benefit from reading the stuff that is posted here. If I worked in the city, I would live in the city too.

But don't try telling us that living in the city is better or cheaper than living in the suburbs. City guys have the mentality that they are more sophisticated because they live in the city but that's just an illusion. Just like the way guys think fly-over America is boring while they don't realize those living in mid-America have a better quality of life than those living in congested and filthy cities.

Originally Posted by kyb01

Have you actually succeeded at "winning over" anyone on here? Lol. You love your lifestyle while some of us disagree. Deal with it. Move on.

[PhilliesPhan2013]

Originally Posted by Pennsport

We already knew this, but nice article none-the-less
Thanks to Philly millennials, Center City undergoing a radical change

I can't wait to contribute to the tide of change! I'm saving money, and plan to move to Philadelphia by the end of the year! I'm tired of living in Delco, as I would MUCH rather live in the city than the suburbs. Plus, I turn 21 this month, so it is time for me to move out of my mom's place (I lived in college dorms previously; however, since I don't have enough money to move as of yet, I'm back at her place temporarily).

When I do move to the city, I plan to stay as long as possible. As someone who was raised in the city and suburbs, I believe that there are distinct advantages to raising a child in a city. Some of my happiest childhood memories occurred when I lived in the Mill Creek neighborhood in West Philly back in the early-to-mid 2000s. I'm also not as concerned with schools as other people. Some of the elementary schools in the city are excellent, such as the one in Queen Village. When it comes time for high school, I'll have my children try to get into Masterman, Central, or one of the successful charters in the city. If that doesn't happen, then they can go the route I went as a teenager: Catholic high school.

Even if I or the future wife do desire a bigger house and larger yard, we could always move to Mount Airy, sections of East Falls, Chestnut Hill, Roxborough, etc. They are transit-accessible and still within the city. I just hope to spend many years in the city that I love the most!

[NYtoNJtoPA]

I have a friend from NJ who I grew up with, from Middlesex County originally. He and his wife finally left last year right after Christmas, after living there his whole life and moved to Jersey City. They lasted there eight months and are now moving to Wayne, NJ today.

Youngsters always say they want to be in the city, but I think eventually you get tired of living in city life if you aren't from the city. Eventually you want to get back to what you are used to I think. Then "going out in the city" when living in the suburbs I think becomes a lot more exciting.

[Fireshaker]

This is great and encouraging news and all, but....can we get something else in the city besides restaurants and high-end fashion? What about getting actual paying jobs to come back to the core? Maybe reclaim a few of the hundreds of employers littering suburban office parks?

It's great that everyone wants to live in the city, but when most of the real jobs are actually in the surrounding area, then Center City becomes basically a glorified bedroom community.

[kyb01]

Originally Posted by 1ondoner

This is a contest of ideas and many people benefit from reading the stuff that is posted here. If I worked in the city, I would live in the city too.

But don't try telling us that living in the city is better or cheaper than living in the suburbs. City guys have the mentality that they are more sophisticated because they live in the city but that's just an illusion. Just like the way guys think fly-over America is boring while they don't realize those living in mid-America have a better quality of life than those living in congested and filthy cities.

Well, for me personally, city living is what I PREFER. I fully realize it's not for everyone.

I've spent plenty of time in flyover country. Mostly Nebraska, parts of Wyoming and Colorado. I've spent time in the deep south too. Mostly Alabama. I actually kinda like Birmingham. I don't find any of these places boring in the short haul. But over time I would.

QOL is subjective. It baffles me that you're not understanding that.

[kyb01]

Originally Posted by Fireshaker

This is great and encouraging news and all, but....can we get something else in the city besides restaurants and high-end fashion? What about getting actual paying jobs to come back to the core? Maybe reclaim a few of the hundreds of employers littering suburban office parks?

It's great that everyone wants to live in the city, but when most of the real jobs are actually in the surrounding area, then Center City becomes basically a glorified bedroom community.

The Navy Yard development seems to be filling that role but not enough publicity gets circulated about that. But, yes, agreed about the need of more jobs in the core.

[PhilliesPhan2013]

Originally Posted by Fireshaker

This is great and encouraging news and all, but....can we get something else in the city besides restaurants and high-end fashion? What about getting actual paying jobs to come back to the core? Maybe reclaim a few of the hundreds of employers littering suburban office parks?

It's great that everyone wants to live in the city, but when most of the real jobs are actually in the surrounding area, then Center City becomes basically a glorified bedroom community.

Well, to this point, I am overwhelmingly optimistic that they will in time. First of all, PA lawmakers are in the process of FINALLY tackling our tax problem that drives so many employers to the suburbs. If our tax structure is redone, then it will encourage businesses to come back into the city. With the demand of younger talent to live in the city, I doubt that many employers actually want to stay in suburban office parks (unless top-level management is much older and/or has a general mindset that the suburbs are better). Secondly, Schuylkill Yards and the 30th Street Station District developments will bring employers from across the country. If you have seen the plans, it may not seem like there is enough demand for as many towers as are included in the plan; nevertheless, one has to consider two factors. The first factor is that, although new office space has been constructed, overall office space is lower than it was in previous decades. This can be accounted for when considering the number of office-to-residential conversions that were occurring when the market wasn't as strong. Secondly, both SY and the 30th Street Station District provide the unique opportunity for employers to have a tower built to specifications in an area surrounded by the 3rd busiest station in the United States, many colleges and universities in University City, and access to Center City.

Philadelphia will be an entirely different city in the next decade, assuming that all goes to plan. Also, Philly's population is projected to continue to grow through 2040.

[AJNEOA]

Originally Posted by 1ondoner

Actually, my main mode of transport is a motorcycle. There's a balance between not having a car and having a car. While i"m for guys having cars, I think having a car allows one to do more with their time.

What I'm against are the gas guzzlers. On one extreme you have the anti-car, tree-hugging yuppies and on the other side you have the gung ho hilly billy SUV loving 'muricans.

I love the suburbs because I get to have my space and not have to worry about others around me. The last thing I want is people stepping on my toes which happens a lot where you have masses. I don't worry if my neighbor is smoking, blasting music, cooking smelly dishes, etc.

In the city, everyone is on each other's neck. No thank you.

That's fine. Everyone has their preference. But you rally against city-living based on your preference, which is a majority opinion btw, and then you make it sound like you're too smart to follow the unenlightened masses into the depths of the city. Not exactly an original perspective...

[kyb01]

Originally Posted by Fireshaker

This is great and encouraging news and all, but....can we get something else in the city besides restaurants and high-end fashion? What about getting actual paying jobs to come back to the core? Maybe reclaim a few of the hundreds of employers littering suburban office parks?

It's great that everyone wants to live in the city, but when most of the real jobs are actually in the surrounding area, then Center City becomes basically a glorified bedroom community.

There's some positive news about that in Philadelphia 2035 thread.