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Old 02-27-2017, 12:01 PM
 
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I was at the avenue of arts for a show and I parked my car at the garage on S 15th street. After the show, while exiting the garage there was a large crowd of high schoolers in the alley involved in a melee or in some sort of commotion. A couple of guys did not have their shirts and and there were kids running all over the place shouting.

I didn't feel threatened because it didn't look like something serious was going on and it didn't look like they were having fun either, although my kids were a bit frightened.

This made me wonder is why are there so many kids out at night in the city. It was close to 10 pm. I don't think I've seen this anywhere else.
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Old 02-27-2017, 12:09 PM
 
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Was this during the warm weather streak? that could very well be why.


Not suggesting that those teens were up to no good, but in case they were I've said many times, Philadelphia (especially CC) does not have an adequate police presence. There should be a police officer on every major block in CC at all times. I must pass by a dozen policemen in Midtown Manhattan when I walk 10 minutes to Trader Joes.
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Old 02-27-2017, 12:55 PM
 
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Was this during the warm weather streak? that could very well be why.


Not suggesting that those teens were up to no good, but in case they were I've said many times, Philadelphia (especially CC) does not have an adequate police presence. There should be a police officer on every major block in CC at all times. I must pass by a dozen policemen in Midtown Manhattan when I walk 10 minutes to Trader Joes.
Dunno know what's going on now but I read last year that the PPD was down at least 200 officers and people leaving because of retirements is surely not helping. Homicide clear rates are down recently because they just do not have the man power.

As far as these kids are concerned, I did my share of stupid stuff when I was teen. Yes, like sneaking out of the house late at night especially once I got my driver's licence. Suburban life was boring to me and, man I couldn't wait to get away from that so I did "act out" to a degree.

Anyhow not sure if the city still has a curfew. If, yes, it needs to be enforced.
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Old 02-27-2017, 12:58 PM
 
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I was at the avenue of arts for a show and I parked my car at the garage on S 15th street. After the show, while exiting the garage there was a large crowd of high schoolers in the alley involved in a melee or in some sort of commotion. A couple of guys did not have their shirts and and there were kids running all over the place shouting.

I didn't feel threatened because it didn't look like something serious was going on and it didn't look like they were having fun either, although my kids were a bit frightened.

This made me wonder is why are there so many kids out at night in the city. It was close to 10 pm. I don't think I've seen this anywhere else.
You've never seen kids out past 10pm anywhere? I find that hard to believe.
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Old 02-27-2017, 01:13 PM
 
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College kids, yes.

High schoolers, not in the numbers that I witnessed.

Even in suburbia, you will find just a handful of high schoolers monkeying around in the neighborhood. This was a crowd of almost 30 kids. May be more. And in the middle of a city center.



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You've never seen kids out past 10pm anywhere? I find that hard to believe.
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Old 02-27-2017, 01:18 PM
 
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It does seem like an increase in police presence would be the answer.
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Old 02-27-2017, 01:24 PM
 
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Coincidentally, on my way to the parking garage, I almost made a wrong turn, though it may have looked like I was driving under the influence, and within a few seconds, there was a cop car flashing their lights behind me. I pulled over, the cop just shone his flashlight into the car and when he saw the kids, he waved us off.

It's possible that cops have given up on the kids, or there is nothing they can do as long as they are not committing any crime. My concern is that of a parent. The last thing I want is my kids roaming around in center city at night.


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Was this during the warm weather streak? that could very well be why.


Not suggesting that those teens were up to no good, but in case they were I've said many times, Philadelphia (especially CC) does not have an adequate police presence. There should be a police officer on every major block in CC at all times. I must pass by a dozen policemen in Midtown Manhattan when I walk 10 minutes to Trader Joes.
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Old 02-27-2017, 01:24 PM
 
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I have seen kids as young as 2 or 3 (and others who were considerably older - school age but not old enough to be on their own) being toted around Walmart at 3 a.m. and running around/playing on/with everything while parents wandered around as though it was 3 p.m. They didn't seem at all tired or sick and the parents shopping carts were full of toys and candy and 'stuff' so I am guessing the parents were not there just to pick up an emergency prescription. I would guess that it all starts in the home .. without a good routine, good example and good rules. As soon as the kids can go out on their own, I am guessing (again that) the same parents must see nothing wrong with them doing so at all hours of the night.
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Old 02-27-2017, 08:57 PM
 
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This made me wonder is why are there so many kids out at night in the city. It was close to 10 pm. I don't think I've seen this anywhere else.
Maybe Congress has cut off funds for midnight basketball.
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Old 02-28-2017, 07:12 AM
 
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It does seem like an increase in police presence would be the answer.
We have discussed this before. The PPD seems to be "allergic" wrt getting out of patrol cars and walking around. If something happens they are on the scene very quickly. But I'm somewhere in Center City, or adjacent neighborhoods, every single day and
I swear I do not see cops-on-bikes or the like most of the time. To be clear I'm not trying to shade Philly cops.

Cpomp is absolutely right about the visibility of the NYPD.
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