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Old 06-07-2017, 07:42 PM
 
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In short, there isn't much that can be done.


Agreed. I believe none of the solutions proposed above will work. The best that can be done is to contain the problem, like an incurable disease.
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Old 06-07-2017, 07:52 PM
 
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Agreed. I believe none of the solutions proposed above will work. The best that can be done is to contain the problem, like an incurable disease.
Containing racial tension has never helped anything. In some cases, riots have occurred.
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Old 06-07-2017, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Kennett Square, PA
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Sorry to say I don't envision a solution. People's behavior in "raising" children will continue to be mired in irresponsibility and ignorance: too many kids and no money with which to provide for them, absentee fathers, single mothers with no solid job or career prospects for the long haul, shortage of role models. These are all the ingredients for a huge kettle of failure regarding their children. I taught "youth-at-risk" for well over a decade and was the wide-eyed optimist for a time. I soon learned that no matter how much positive reinforcement in the form of cultural/artistic exposure, a magnitude of funds, a plethora learning/teaching modes and styles (with revision after revision after revision) that we throw at these lost, wayward kids, it all boils down to HOW THEY ARE RAISED from the outset. Sorry: but unless you've been there for the 15 years that I have and have given it all you've got, you really don't understand the irrevocable impact that heedless and inattentive parenting produces. It's really that simple.
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Old 06-07-2017, 10:36 PM
 
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Sorry to say I don't envision a solution. People's behavior in "raising" children will continue to be mired in irresponsibility and ignorance: too many kids and no money with which to provide for them, absentee fathers, single mothers with no solid job or career prospects for the long haul, shortage of role models. These are all the ingredients for a huge kettle of failure regarding their children. I taught "youth-at-risk" for well over a decade and was the wide-eyed optimist for a time. I soon learned that no matter how much positive reinforcement in the form of cultural/artistic exposure, a magnitude of funds, a plethora learning/teaching modes and styles (with revision after revision after revision) that we throw at these lost, wayward kids, it all boils down to HOW THEY ARE RAISED from the outset. Sorry: but unless you've been there for the 15 years that I have and have given it all you've got, you really don't understand the irrevocable impact that heedless and inattentive parenting produces. It's really that simple.
What does any of that have to do with racial tension(other than being taught to be a bigot via the parents)? This sounds alot more like "bad parenting = criminal behavior. Racial tensions have been in Philadelphia for over a century, criminal behavior or not. I thought we were talking about the long standing racial divides, not criminals.
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Old 06-08-2017, 04:58 AM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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It's a little like the Tar Baby.

Unfortunately, because African-Americans are disproportionately poor, and because we have chosen to concentrate and isolate poorer African-Americans, race and poverty almost inevitably get intertwined in discussions like these.

I hope those of you who weighed in just above this post, throwing up your hands, read that article on the biology of poverty 1ondoner tipped me off to - it's called "Why Poverty is Like a Disease."

You may discover after reading it that a lot of behavior you may consider irrational or short-sighted makes sense given what they're facing. As I wrote above, they're like derivatives traders.

I could go off on a tear about how what we're reaping is the result of decades, generations, and more of bad policy driven by fear and prejudice, but won't because I'd be whistling into the wind.

As for those neighborhoods, I think you will be surprised at what you may see in the next several years. In fact, you're already beginning to see it now at Broad-Erie-Germantown and around North Philadelphia Station with several recent project announcements; the one at Broad-Erie-Germantown will be under way by late this year. I also had some interesting conversations about Sharswood at last night's Preservation Alliance awards gala; that story, which I broke but did not follow up on, has several more chapters yet to be written.
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Old 06-08-2017, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Kennett Square, PA
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What does any of that have to do with racial tension(other than being taught to be a bigot via the parents)? This sounds alot more like "bad parenting = criminal behavior. Racial tensions have been in Philadelphia for over a century, criminal behavior or not. I thought we were talking about the long standing racial divides, not criminals.
Sounds like YOU'RE the bigot to assume youth-at-risk refers to particular races. We ORIGINALLY were talking about teen behavior in Philly, if I'm not mistaken. And if you don't think that bad parenting can indeed lead to criminal behavior, you're living on another planet. Happy reading ( I don't need to read it; I've been there. Get back to me when YOU can say the same) https://www.google.com/search?q=bad+...hrome&ie=UTF-8
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Old 06-08-2017, 07:22 AM
 
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I understand that it's difficult to talk about the city by itself, and not part of the whole US problem with wealth inequality, but if we can keep circling back to Philadelphia, I'd appreciate that. Also any post that comes up with the equation that one race is good and another is bad will be considered racist.
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