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Old 05-29-2017, 09:52 PM
 
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The only consolation is that Phoenix growth is mainly due to the growth of the city limits. Phila just needs to maintain a positive population growth as it had previously been losing residents for decades.

Unfortunately, the city has a long way to go going by the number of vacant lots or derelict buildings that are a reminder of it's glory days. I also doubt if the city can accommodate 2 million residents like in the 50's.

Philly slips from fifth to sixth, as Phoenix rises

Personally, I wouldn't live in Phoenix nor it's suburbs. It's hot, dry and bare (I've only been to Phoenix, the city once, but I spent a week in Sedona and Flagstaff). But neither would I live in the Philadelphia city limits due to congestion and high COL.
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Old 05-30-2017, 07:07 AM
 
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An ugly strip mall city in the middle of the desert? Yeah, no thanks.
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Old 05-30-2017, 07:43 AM
 
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This has been discussed so many times. Phoenix has density similar to the state of NJ. It's not even close to the size of a real urban city like Philly. Neither is Houston. For anyone looking to visit the largest cities in the US, it goes NYC, LA, Chicago, Philly, DC/Boston/SF, etc.

Same thing as Jacksonville, FL. Which is larger, Jacksonville or Miami?
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Old 05-30-2017, 08:10 AM
 
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The only consolation is that Phoenix growth is mainly due to the growth of the city limits. Phila just needs to maintain a positive population growth as it had previously been losing residents for decades.

Unfortunately, the city has a long way to go going by the number of vacant lots or derelict buildings that are a reminder of it's glory days. I also doubt if the city can accommodate 2 million residents like in the 50's.

Philly slips from fifth to sixth, as Phoenix rises

Personally, I wouldn't live in Phoenix nor it's suburbs. It's hot, dry and bare (I've only been to Phoenix, the city once, but I spent a week in Sedona and Flagstaff). But neither would I live in the Philadelphia city limits due to congestion and high COL.
Do you actually think you are saying anything we haven't been aware of for a long time? When Houston passed Philadelphia it was for very much the same reason: it could grow physically. One could say the same kind of thing happened here when Philadelphia county and Philadelphia(the original city) consolidated into one entity in 1854.

I've been to Tucson a couple of times. Food was okay but I found it pretty boring overall.
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Old 05-30-2017, 08:12 AM
 
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This has been discussed so many times. Phoenix has density similar to the state of NJ. It's not even close to the size of a real urban city like Philly. Neither is Houston. For anyone looking to visit the largest cities in the US, it goes NYC, LA, Chicago, Philly, DC/Boston/SF, etc.

Same thing as Jacksonville, FL. Which is larger, Jacksonville or Miami?
No one cares about how physically small SF is for instance.
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Old 05-30-2017, 08:56 AM
 
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Strictly for weather reasons i prefer Phoenix. I have been there and i shall return. EVery fiber of my being is devoted to returning. But, Philly is a great city. the greatest city in Pennsylvania. I have to endure things for the moment here in lehizzle Foshizzle.
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Old 05-30-2017, 11:25 AM
 
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Great illustration of the always expanding boundaries of Phoenix

http://media.philly.com/images/1200*...y_Phoenix3.gif
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Old 05-30-2017, 11:34 AM
 
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^ Nice GIF TDP!

For the other side of the fence, check this thread out: //www.city-data.com/forum/phoen...-populous.html

Plenty of reasonable posts, but some real funny ones too:

"While we are not as packed in as Philly, that is still a little misleading. Phoenix has more city park space than any city in the country. IF you look at the biggest urban parks in the country, #1,3 and 10 are in Phoenix. South Mountain alone is 30 sq miles."

"That number also includes huge areas of raw land that Phoenix has annexed to avoid becoming landlocked. The developed areas of Phoenix maintain an almost constant density no matter how far out you go but they include tons of empty land in this 500sq mile number, I believe this includes all the way north to New River. Aka no mans land."
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Old 05-30-2017, 12:11 PM
 
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What would be the optimal population of Philadelphia? Look at New York, for instance. The city is chocking full of people, traffic and garbage. Public facilities, including the airports, could do with major improvements.

With the current 1.6 million residents, I don't think the Philly caters well for it's current residents. Littering is an issue, the roads need a bit of work, it looks like violent crime is on the rise, etc etc.
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Old 05-30-2017, 12:24 PM
 
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What would be the optimal population of Philadelphia? Look at New York, for instance. The city is chocking full of people, traffic and garbage. Public facilities, including the airports, could do with major improvements.

With the current 1.6 million residents, I don't think the Philly caters well for it's current residents. Littering is an issue, the roads need a bit of work, it looks like violent crime is on the rise, etc etc.
In Philly? 2 million + people like it was before.

Ever been to Staten Island? Technically it's part of NYC but it not chock full of people.

Man, I wonder what you would have thought of Phila. in 70s-80s when things were really starting to fall apart wrt de-industrialization. And before the Center City District which has done, and still continues to do, a good job keeping, at least CC clean.
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