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Old 01-31-2020, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Center City, Philadelphia
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Probably the biggest problem with the old trolley's was that they weren't wheelchair accessible. Talk about something that was probably completely out of code.
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Old Yesterday, 09:44 AM
 
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Why? They look so incredibly old and outdated, and contributes to the image of poverty that Philadelphia still gets stuck with (to some degree). Put them on a tourist sightseeing route or something.
They're classic. Google "PCC trolley" and learn something. Would you tell San Francisco, which actually got some from Septa and has them in service, to get rid of them because they are "old and outdated, and contributes to the image of poverty"? Of course not.
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Old Yesterday, 05:26 PM
 
Location: New York City
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They're classic. Google "PCC trolley" and learn something. Would you tell San Francisco, which actually got some from Septa and has them in service, to get rid of them because they are "old and outdated, and contributes to the image of poverty"? Of course not.
How can you compare the SF trollies to the 15? The trollies in San Francisco are overwhelmingly a tourist attraction/thing. How many tourists take the 15? Not many (maybe a few to the zoo). They're cute as a tourist attraction in a city like San Francisco. They look like you couldn't afford anything better as a functioning mass transit line in a city like Philadelphia. If you even bothered to read the rest of my post, I said SEPTA should do exactly what SF does and use them as a tourist trap.

The R32 cars on the 'C' train here in New York are "classic" too, but they are completely obsolete and problematic in daily functioning for commuters. Trains and trollies built in the 60s shouldn't still be in regular service in 2020.
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Old Today, 07:04 AM
 
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How can you compare the SF trollies to the 15? The trollies in San Francisco are overwhelmingly a tourist attraction/thing. How many tourists take the 15? Not many (maybe a few to the zoo). They're cute as a tourist attraction in a city like San Francisco. They look like you couldn't afford anything better as a functioning mass transit line in a city like Philadelphia. If you even bothered to read the rest of my post, I said SEPTA should do exactly what SF does and use them as a tourist trap.

The R32 cars on the 'C' train here in New York are "classic" too, but they are completely obsolete and problematic in daily functioning for commuters. Trains and trollies built in the 60s shouldn't still be in regular service in 2020.
Because many of them in SF are the same trolleys. PCC trolleys.

We have very divergent views about this and it's not worth my time to argue. I did read all of your post; I don't agree with it.
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