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Old 08-14-2018, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyers Girl View Post
Well, there's a flip side to that. Go too much to the other extreme and you have NYC. I would never want Philly to look like that. I understand what you mean, though, insofar as a place like Fitler Square seems to be all residential without any dining and/or retail options. But I personally like the "neighborhood in the city" vibe that several areas of Philly have and believe that, as cities go, it is incredibly unique. As much as I love going to NYC and walking around, I think parts of it are downright ugly with retail shop after retail shop after retail shop. Come closing time, if you're walking around all you're going to see are a bunch of gates pulled down over the storefronts.
I’m certainly not suggesting any extremes. Variety, somewhere in the middle, is perfectly fine with me.
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Old 08-14-2018, 09:16 PM
Location: Straddling two worlds
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Originally Posted by Duderino View Post
Not to derail the topic, but my experience has actually been that New Englanders/Bostonians are widely pretty down-to-earth and affable folks. Actually remind me a lot of Philadelphians in that regard.

The insufferable/"Boston is God's gift to the world" types certainly do exist, but they're not nearly as common as they're portrayed.

More to the point, Boston has some fantastic food establishments, but again, not nearly as many approachable ones and not quite as truly unique/creative as in Philly. The "corporate" tech influence has come to dominate that city way too much. It's definitely lost its edge.
Thank you.
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Old 08-15-2018, 07:01 AM
Location: New York City
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Originally Posted by AJNEOA View Post
I’m not suggesting that center city should transition to twin housing and tree filled neighborhoods. Streets with trees like Center City are enough. I’m simply suggesting that there could be more variety in many neighborhoods. And while we may not agree that center city is an island, it is distinct from most every neighborhood around it. So I’m not sure how it’s not different.
That is a great way to word it. When I walk around Manhattan Or Chicago the neighborhoods transition seamlessly from one to the other. The character may change slightly, but there is never a transition period, or a period of where am I going?

I would say the only parts of CC that almost seamlessly transition into the next set of neighborhoods are walking west into U City, and walking South, East of Broad St.

For example, walking from the Reading Terminal to Frankford Hall is about 2 miles, 45 min walk, but hardly enjoyable for anyone.

Its actually a longer walk to get from the Flat Iron Building to the Met in New York (3 miles)
And going from Michigan Ave to Lincoln Park (3.5 miles)

And both of those walks are uninterrupted flow of neighborhoods that offer a great variety of structures, parks, shops, cafes, tall buildings, short buildings, etc.

DC is closer to that setup than Philadelphia is.

When you head out from CC in most directions it either transitions into a barren area, dangerous area, rows and rows of houses with no stores, cafes, parks, or vegetation.

And that doesn't mean I am advocating for New York City development in every corner of Philadelphia. People seem to be a bit dramatic with the one or the other scenario. Philadelphia will never be New York and is not even close to approaching New York, but it could certainly use some more density and activity in neighborhoods that aren't in CC.

That being said, I still think Philadelphia's "downtown" is among the best in the nation, it just drops off a lot quicker than other major cities, hence the spillover of crime and flashmobs, you don't see that in NYC, Chicago, DC, Boston because there is a larger barrier between the good and bad, and even the bad neighborhoods have basic amenities. And that might be why outsiders think it feels smaller than it actually is, because 75% of the action is confined to 10-15% of the actual city.

And back to the original topic, Philadelphia is definitely one of the top food cities in the nation.
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Old 08-15-2018, 07:05 AM
Location: New York City
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Originally Posted by KansastoSouthphilly View Post
Maybe I am crazy or have been unlucky when I go south but I think Philadephia has a significantly better food scene than DC. I was just there last month. The only great restaurant experience I have had was at Chez Billy Sud in Georgetown and even that wasn't better than a place like Laurel. I found most of the good restaurants to be at the extreme high end of things and the Mid range restaurants to be down right bland and uninteresting. Philly has more than enough high end restaurants but also has plenty of options for those nights when you don't want to spent $200+ per person. Even extremely popular restaurants like Zahav have pretty reasonable price points.

I have long thought of DC as the land of overpriced expense account restaurants and bad fast casual spots like &Pizza.

New York has many great restaurants and almost certainly many more than Philly. I do think that if you walk into a random restaurant in Greater Center City that chances that it will be good are better than if you walk into a random restaurant in Manhattan. But since that's not how most people choose where they are going to eat it doesn't matter though I do appreciate that I can often get reservations day of in Philly or typically walk in off the street which can be difficult in New York.
I may have been giving DC too much credit, because I have always enjoyed eating out in Philadelphia more than DC, and almost everyone I know agrees. Philadelphia offers ample options for the low end diner, mid end diner, high end diner, street food, food trucks, BYOB culture, and a growing variety of ethnic cuisines.

I did have some nice experiences in more "up and coming" DC neighborhoods like Shaw, but I definitely feel you on the lackluster, sterile, corporate dining that has overtaken a chunk of the city.

I do think Philadelphia (until recently) hasn't gotten the food credit it deserves, and maybe DC got a little too much credit (per usual).
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