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Old 12-15-2018, 07:55 PM
 
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You make it sound like the unruliness is normal. What about the people who work outdoors in the Summer? There is no excuse for such kind of behavior.


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You clearly have no idea what it's like to teach in some rough sections of Philadelphia, do you?

Thanks for proving my point. I had a feeling the person who had that sentiment would be a Catholic school person too.
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Old 12-16-2018, 08:14 AM
 
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You clearly have no idea what it's like to teach in some rough sections of Philadelphia, do you?

Thanks for proving my point. I had a feeling the person who had that sentiment would be a Catholic school person too.
What you're actually saying is kids in certain schools without air conditioning are better behaved than kids in certain other schools with air conditioning.

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Old 12-16-2018, 08:22 AM
 
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You make it sound like the unruliness is normal. What about the people who work outdoors in the Summer? There is no excuse for such kind of behavior.
Some teachers have low expectations for students from "rough sections." I don't care for that sort of attitude.
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Old 12-16-2018, 09:30 AM
 
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First job I ever had teaching in Philadelphia was at a school with no air conditioning. On days where it got really hot (at the very beginning and very end of the year), behavior problems skyrocketed. It was more about just containing your class until you got out early than it was about teaching. Anything to avoid those days is a good idea.

Although they really should put air conditioning in as many schools as possible. How can you expect teachers to teach and students to learn in that kind of environment?

I'll wait for some clueless boomer to come in and say, "well, back in my day...."
There's going to be a generational divide about this. Lol. And, yeah, of course my entire public school experience was in bldgs without AC. It was normal.

But today, considering that AC became more normal, in various settings starting 50+ years ago, expectations have shifted.

I do think school should start after Labor Day.
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Old 12-16-2018, 09:48 AM
 
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You make it sound like the unruliness is normal. What about the people who work outdoors in the Summer? There is no excuse for such kind of behavior.
We are talking about children here. Kids who are 6 and 7, where air conditioning is the norm and who have a lot of other life difficulties to deal with. When it gets extremely hot and humid inside a small space with a lot of people, it's a recipe for disaster. Trust me .

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Old 12-16-2018, 09:51 AM
 
Location: New York City
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There's going to be a generational divide about this. Lol. And, yeah, of course my entire public school experience was in bldgs without AC. It was normal.

But today, considering that AC became more normal, in various settings starting 50+ years ago, expectations have shifted.

I do think school should start after Labor Day.
Exactly. Even in my suburban, middle-class upbringing, we didn't have AC in the schools. When it got very hot and humid toward the end of the year, behavior problems became a much larger issue. This isn't an issue with black and brown kids in city schools, it's an issue with all kids in all schools. It is ridiculous that they don't have A/C in schools now.

I'm beyond thankful that I teach in a school that does, and it makes a world of difference.
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Old 12-17-2018, 07:14 AM
 
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Newsflash: climate change is real. The number of days of intense heat in the area has increased dramatically over the past 30 years.

Philadelphia is getting hotter, wetter, and snowier at the same time

Moreover, the city’s poorest neighborhoods where the fewest families have air conditioning in their homes are also the hottest locations on average. There can be double digit differences between the temperature in Fairhill and Chestnut Hill on a hot day.

Weather warning: These Philadelphia neighborhoods get the hottest in a heat wave

So to all of the “we didn’t have air conditioning at school in my day” there have been dramatic changes in the frequency and intensity of heat since you (and I for that matter) went to school. It simply wasn’t as hot back then.
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Old 12-17-2018, 11:50 AM
 
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Newsflash: climate change is real. The number of days of intense heat in the area has increased dramatically over the past 30 years.

Philadelphia is getting hotter, wetter, and snowier at the same time

Moreover, the city’s poorest neighborhoods where the fewest families have air conditioning in their homes are also the hottest locations on average. There can be double digit differences between the temperature in Fairhill and Chestnut Hill on a hot day.

Weather warning: These Philadelphia neighborhoods get the hottest in a heat wave

So to all of the “we didn’t have air conditioning at school in my day” there have been dramatic changes in the frequency and intensity of heat since you (and I for that matter) went to school. It simply wasn’t as hot back then.
This I think is the point some posters are missing. Yes, there was heat back in the day, and classrooms weren't always comfortable. But in those days, September was actually fall. I'm only 36, and in my grade school days I have specific memories of waiting for the bus in September wearing light jackets or windbreakers. Now, September is basically another August--i.e., a furnace. It doesn't even begin to get cool until October at the earliest, and sometimes not even until mid-to-late October. Creeping temperatures are a real problem, no matter what side of the generational divide you're on.

Now, that said, will a week make that much difference in terms of temperature? No. First week of September is just as hot as the last week of August. But personally, I grew up starting school after Labor Day, so I'm fine with the concept, especially since the holiday is positioned as the traditional "end of summer."
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Old 12-18-2018, 12:46 PM
 
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Having kids start school before Labor Day was a really stupid idea.
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