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Old 12-14-2018, 05:12 AM
 
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Old 12-14-2018, 05:23 AM
 
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First job I ever had teaching in Philadelphia was at a school with no air conditioning. On days where it got really hot (at the very beginning and very end of the year), behavior problems skyrocketed. It was more about just containing your class until you got out early than it was about teaching. Anything to avoid those days is a good idea.

Although they really should put air conditioning in as many schools as possible. How can you expect teachers to teach and students to learn in that kind of environment?

I'll wait for some clueless boomer to come in and say, "well, back in my day...."
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Old 12-14-2018, 08:40 AM
 
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I'm kind of indifferent. One idea about starting a week before Labor Day is that suppposedly, you end one week earlier to avoid a potentially hot week in June. Lack of air conditioning sucks, and a fan doesn't do it. There are business offices that would probably just have their kids work at home in such a situation.

It's too bad we don't have a system where kids could go to a physical school and then work remotely on unreasonably bad weather days.
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Old 12-14-2018, 10:41 AM
 
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First job I ever had teaching in Philadelphia was at a school with no air conditioning. On days where it got really hot (at the very beginning and very end of the year), behavior problems skyrocketed. It was more about just containing your class until you got out early than it was about teaching. Anything to avoid those days is a good idea.

Although they really should put air conditioning in as many schools as possible. How can you expect teachers to teach and students to learn in that kind of environment?

I'll wait for some clueless boomer to come in and say, "well, back in my day...."
Back in my day, school started after Labor Day. I would have been terribly disappointed if it had been changed to an August start. The beginning of September is still too hot, but it can't be put off indefinitely.

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Old 12-14-2018, 10:50 AM
 
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Our schools in the Lehigh Valley generally start the week before labor day and it's worked out well. I think the lack of A/C is a good argument for not doing it, but there are academic reasons for a change. 1) Students and teachers have a tendency to tune out after memorial day so ending the school year earlier in June will cut off some of that nothing happening time. 2) National AP tests are given in May so the longer students have to learn the material, the better prepared they will be. Parents were not happy when it first happened, but it's not even a topic of conversation now.
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Old 12-14-2018, 11:15 AM
 
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First job I ever had teaching in Philadelphia was at a school with no air conditioning. On days where it got really hot (at the very beginning and very end of the year), behavior problems skyrocketed. It was more about just containing your class until you got out early than it was about teaching. Anything to avoid those days is a good idea.

Although they really should put air conditioning in as many schools as possible. How can you expect teachers to teach and students to learn in that kind of environment?

I'll wait for some clueless boomer to come in and say, "well, back in my day...."
We started school the first Tuesday of September. Yes, it was hot in school and at home. I don't remember a single teacher who didn't put forth his or her best effort to teach. After all, that was his or her job.
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Old 12-14-2018, 11:36 AM
 
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Our schools in the Lehigh Valley generally start the week before labor day and it's worked out well. I think the lack of A/C is a good argument for not doing it, but there are academic reasons for a change. 1) Students and teachers have a tendency to tune out after memorial day so ending the school year earlier in June will cut off some of that nothing happening time. 2) National AP tests are given in May so the longer students have to learn the material, the better prepared they will be. Parents were not happy when it first happened, but it's not even a topic of conversation now.
Re item 1: my kids go to school from the beginning of August to the Friday before Memorial Day. End of year tuning out has nothing to do with the end date. The same thing happens here before Memorial Day. Once state testing ends (first week of May here in Georgia) and AP testing is finished is when students and teachers start tuning out. And honestly, I can’t blame either group. If the entire year is focused on tests no one is going to give a poop what happens once testing is completed. Ultimately, there is zero research showing that an earlier start date improves academic achievement or reduces tuning out at the end of the year.

As for Philly schools, the odds of intense heat are a bit higher in late August than mid-June. The post Labor Day start makes sense given the geenral absence of air conditioned schools.
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Old 12-14-2018, 01:44 PM
 
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First job I ever had teaching in Philadelphia was at a school with no air conditioning. On days where it got really hot (at the very beginning and very end of the year), behavior problems skyrocketed. It was more about just containing your class until you got out early than it was about teaching. Anything to avoid those days is a good idea.

Although they really should put air conditioning in as many schools as possible. How can you expect teachers to teach and students to learn in that kind of environment?

I'll wait for some clueless boomer to come in and say, "well, back in my day...."
lol.

I'm the oldest regular poster, I think. Or it might be sounthbound.

I would not say something like that because it's pointless.

Schools should start after Labor Day.
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Old 12-15-2018, 08:10 AM
 
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First job I ever had teaching in Philadelphia was at a school with no air conditioning. On days where it got really hot (at the very beginning and very end of the year), behavior problems skyrocketed. It was more about just containing your class until you got out early than it was about teaching. Anything to avoid those days is a good idea.

Although they really should put air conditioning in as many schools as possible. How can you expect teachers to teach and students to learn in that kind of environment?

I'll wait for some clueless boomer to come in and say, "well, back in my day...."
I'm fifty and went to un-air conditioned Catholic schools for twelve years and we made out just fine. Sure, it was uncomfortable, but I can't recall myself or the other students getting crazy from the heat and causing problems. Maybe some of your students simply lacked emotional and impulse control?
I'm not clueless ... It's not the worst thing in the world for kids to be taught that life's not always comfortable (or fair), it can prepare them for adult life.
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Old 12-15-2018, 12:49 PM
 
Location: New York City
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I'm fifty and went to un-air conditioned Catholic schools for twelve years and we made out just fine. Sure, it was uncomfortable, but I can't recall myself or the other students getting crazy from the heat and causing problems. Maybe some of your students simply lacked emotional and impulse control?
I'm not clueless ... It's not the worst thing in the world for kids to be taught that life's not always comfortable (or fair), it can prepare them for adult life.
You clearly have no idea what it's like to teach in some rough sections of Philadelphia, do you?

Thanks for proving my point. I had a feeling the person who had that sentiment would be a Catholic school person too.
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