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View Poll Results: Next Neighborhood(s)
Templetown 2 5.71%
Point Breeze 8 22.86%
Gray's Ferry 0 0%
Pennsport 6 17.14%
Delaware Riverfront (Frankford to Washington Ave) 4 11.43%
East Mount Airy 6 17.14%
South Kensington 7 20.00%
Brewerytown 10 28.57%
OTHER 10 28.57%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 35. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-20-2019, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia Pa
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Ok, I know this topic has been beaten to death in the past, but I haven't seen much commentary on it recently. We all know our city is changing dramatically every several months, so with this said, in regards to the below parameters, by January 2020, what neighborhood(s) do you envision will have truly broken out?

Parameters:
1. Housing: Must have dramatic upswing of price points, and prices that are getting realized
2. Neighborhood: Must have made dramatic improvements so that not only locals realize a difference, but it becomes a destination of sorts beyond the immediate geography (think beginning of Passyunk Square)
3. Income: Must have new faces flooding into said neighborhood that also bring with them disposal income
4. Revitalization: By 2020, the neighborhood must also be actively sparking and supporting impactful redevelopment - both residential and commercial

NOTE: I won't include those neighborhoods that I feel have already arrived, but obviously feel free to include write-ins
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Old 01-20-2019, 01:21 PM
 
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You got your first vote. Curious to see as more people vote.
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Old 01-20-2019, 06:59 PM
 
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Ok, I know this topic has been beaten to death in the past, but I haven't seen much commentary on it recently. We all know our city is changing dramatically every several months, so with this said, in regards to the below parameters, by January 2020, what neighborhood(s) do you envision will have truly broken out?

Parameters:
1. Housing: Must have dramatic upswing of price points, and prices that are getting realized
2. Neighborhood: Must have made dramatic improvements so that not only locals realize a difference, but it becomes a destination of sorts beyond the immediate geography (think beginning of Passyunk Square)
3. Income: Must have new faces flooding into said neighborhood that also bring with them disposal income
4. Revitalization: By 2020, the neighborhood must also be actively sparking and supporting impactful redevelopment - both residential and commercial

NOTE: I won't include those neighborhoods that I feel have already arrived, but obviously feel free to include write-ins
That's only a year away given that I'd vote "none of them".
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Old 01-20-2019, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia Pa
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That's only a year away given that I'd vote "none of them".
Yeah, valid point. Let's extend the time period to Jan. 2023. I'm not sure how to edit my original post, but hopefully those interested will read this update...
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Old 01-21-2019, 06:36 AM
 
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Yeah, valid point. Let's extend the time period to Jan. 2023. I'm not sure how to edit my original post, but hopefully those interested will read this update...
I voted for Pennsport which is already fine, imo, right now.
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Old 01-21-2019, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia Pa
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I voted for Pennsport which is already fine, imo, right now.
I agree in that several of the neighborhoods listed are fine, but I wouldn't say any of them have truly tipped or "arrived" just yet. Pennsport is probably the closest, but there are still only a handful (and that's generous) pubs/restaurants in the entire neighborhood, and there are quite a few old timers with strong provincialism. Not sure they'll ever sell their auto-body shops or corner delis, which might completely stall movement. I guess I'm just curious where people see the next NL, Hawthorne, Spring Garden/Callowhill, Grad Hospital, Passyunk Square, etc... popping up. I think the city is getting far too many new residents for other areas that might have been stagnant for decades to not break out.
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Old 01-21-2019, 07:41 AM
 
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I agree in that several of the neighborhoods listed are fine, but I wouldn't say any of them have truly tipped or "arrived" just yet. Pennsport is probably the closest, but there are still only a handful (and that's generous) pubs/restaurants in the entire neighborhood, and there are quite a few old timers with strong provincialism. Not sure they'll ever sell their auto-body shops or corner delis, which might completely stall movement. I guess I'm just curious where people see the next NL, Hawthorne, Spring Garden/Callowhill, Grad Hospital, Passyunk Square, etc... popping up. I think the city is getting far too many new residents for other areas that might have been stagnant for decades to not break out.
Well, you are in Pennsport on a daily basis, right... Lol so you know more than I would. It could blow out like Fishtown did.

Some of this could all be affected by what happens in the national economy obviously.
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Old 01-21-2019, 08:53 AM
 
Location: New York City
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I will address each one with my take on it....

Templetown - It will stay largely the same for the longterm future. Drexel and Penn (along with other large institutions) have managed to transform large sections of West Philly due to investment/ jobs and a more connected location. Temple doesn't have any of that. Developers can construct all the student housing they want, but it doesn't do much to improve or dramatically change the surrounding area.

Point Breeze - I think Point Breeze is poised to due to it bordering some of the city's most desirable neighborhoods. The problem with Point Breeze is the higher than usual racial and economic tension in the neighborhood. It is also Kenyettas territory and he dislikes wealthy white people. So Point Breeze is kinds of a question mark....

Grays Ferry - 10 years behind Point Breeze.

Delaware River Waterfront - That section of the water front isn't bad, just kind of sparse and post-industrial in nature. There are some large projects proposed right on Washington Ave in the Spring Garden/ Frankford area, so as long as NIMBYS don't pull that height crap on the waterfront, that is just a few infill projects away from being a hot spot.

East Mt Airy - I don't find E Mt Airy to be bad, not a prime candidate for the next "hot" neighborhood.

South Kensington - I think out of that list this has the most potential. The wave went through Fishtown so fast, it would be almost impossible for East Kensington not to feel it. I also think the nature of this neighborhood being more of a blank slate than other areas (Point Breeze) it allows developers the chance to formulate more ambitious projects that could bring density, retail and business to the neighborhood, rather than rowhome infill. Nolibs/ Fishtown/ South Kensington could almost act as their own little city over the next decade. I just always hope for more ambitious projects. Some of the projects in Old City (205 Race) would look amazing in No Libs or South Kensington.

Brewerytown - Similar situation to South Kensington, but on a lesser scale.


My other choice - Callowhill. This is a truly a blank slate area on Center City's border. There potential development in this neighborhood is almost limitless. I just hope some ambitious projects come through, and I hope even more that they are not met with opposition from neighbors.
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Old 01-21-2019, 02:50 PM
 
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One point about Penn to remember is that it has very wealthy alums( including one who just died, Raymond Perelman) who will continue to give it tons of money which, further, enhance UC because of the investment made in the school. Temple does not have that resource and probably never will. Drexel wins because of great leadership and proximity to Penn. It's a win win all around for that part of W. Phila. and the city as a whole.

Losing Cosby(good riddance, hope he dies in jail) was not only a public relations nightmare for Temple but a big financial problem more than likely.
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Old 01-21-2019, 03:14 PM
 
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I will address each one with my take on it....

Templetown - It will stay largely the same for the longterm future. Drexel and Penn (along with other large institutions) have managed to transform large sections of West Philly due to investment/ jobs and a more connected location. Temple doesn't have any of that. Developers can construct all the student housing they want, but it doesn't do much to improve or dramatically change the surrounding area.

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My other choice - Callowhill. This is a truly a blank slate area on Center City's border. There potential development in this neighborhood is almost limitless. I just hope some ambitious projects come through, and I hope even more that they are not met with opposition from neighbors.
The best hope for Templetown is the continuing development in the eastern part of Francisville which will, hopefully, jump north of Girard Ave into what is still called N. Central. I'm particularly blown away by the Moxy Hotel. Really risky but what the heck!

Wrt "Callowhill" I think you mean the Rail Park area. If , so, I agree with you.
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