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Old 01-22-2020, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Chadds Ford
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I am pleased to see that a non-energy company bought the place. OP's assertion that closing the refinery for good would lead to economic collapse was, imo, misguided to say the least.
We know who will own the land, but that's about it.

Chicago developer Hilco’s $240 million bid wins auction for bankrupt Philadelphia refinery
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Hilco’s precise plans could not be determined, and it’s possible it could lease some part of the site to operate as a fuel-production facility. The fire left one of the two refineries in the complex undamaged.
It will almost definitely remain an industrial site; there's probably too much pollution for residential-repurposing to be in the cards. My money is still on it being a shipping/receiving terminal with warehouses.
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Old 01-22-2020, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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We need refining capacity whether it's in Philly or not is another matter, but we do need it because our country and world run on fossil fuels and will for a very long time. We can not afford to buy refined products from other countries, especially when we have so much domestic oil and natural gas here in the U.S. We are the worlds largest oil producer and a net exporter of energy.

Since Climate has changed naturally, and drastically since the planet's beginning, prior to Man and prior to Man's industrialization, to form energy policy on the hoax of Man's influence is more than irresponsible.
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Old 01-22-2020, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Chadds Ford
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We need refining capacity whether it's in Philly or not is another matter, but we do need it because our country and world run on fossil fuels and will for a very long time. We can not afford to buy refined products from other countries, especially when we have so much domestic oil and natural gas here in the U.S. We are the worlds largest oil producer and a net exporter of energy.

Since Climate has changed naturally, and drastically since the planet's beginning, prior to Man and prior to Man's industrialization, to form energy policy on the hoax of Man's influence is more than irresponsible.
The refinery wasn't profitable before the explosion. The lack of profit suggests that supply was exceeding demand.

The trend on this site shows that the USA's demand for petroleum-based energy has been basically constant for over 20 years. However, the refineries on the East and West Coasts have been uncompetitive with Gulf Coast refiners. While the refineries around here have been closing, the refineries in Louisiana, Texas and Oklahoma have been expanding. This is caused by East Coast refineries being old (over 100 years old in a lot of cases), with high labor costs and state/local environmental restrictions.

The USA is not losing refining capacity, it is merely shifting its capacity to where it is profitable.
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Old 01-22-2020, 12:04 PM
 
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Since Climate has changed naturally, and drastically since the planet's beginning, prior to Man and prior to Man's industrialization, to form energy policy on the hoax of Man's influence is more than irresponsible.

Yes the climate has changed naturally and dramatically over time but there are endless peer reviewed scientific journals that confirm again and again that we humans are causing the climate to change at a fast and dangerous scale. Even if the climate wasn't changing due to industrialization, the refinery and other heavy industries like one pump out harmful gas that has been known to cause increased rates of diseases such as cancer and asthma. Please stop with this nut ass ****, climate change is real.
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Old 01-22-2020, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Yes the climate has changed naturally and dramatically over time but there are endless peer reviewed scientific journals that confirm again and again that we humans are causing the climate to change at a fast and dangerous scale. Even if the climate wasn't changing due to industrialization, the refinery and other heavy industries like one pump out harmful gas that has been known to cause increased rates of diseases such as cancer and asthma. Please stop with this nut ass ****, climate change is real.

Climate change is real. Man's influence on it is not. The pseudo science was bought and paid for. Peer review is a joke. That the last I will say because while it is influential to the refinery it is too political for this forum.
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Old 01-22-2020, 01:22 PM
 
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Climate change is real. Man's influence on it is not. The pseudo science was bought and paid for. Peer review is a joke. That the last I will say because while it is influential to the refinery it is too political for this forum.
So is all peer reviewed science a "joke" or just the science with conclusions you don't like?
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Old 01-22-2020, 08:01 PM
 
Location: Boston Metrowest (via the Philly area)
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It's a fact of life that fossil fuels are dying out; they're not called "renewable" resources for a reason.

Even if you're going to be so brazen as to deny the mountains of evidence that carbon dioxide is warming the planet, at the very least you can be on board with preparing for a future when those resources no longer exist (it's coming faster than we think).

Not to mention, this site alone contributed to upwards of 25% (!) of air pollution in the entire Philadelphia region, so the benefit of the refinery's closure to public health over the long term is incalculable.

The fact that it was bought by a firm with immense experience in repurposing such sites by introducing logistics or light manufacturing uses is fantastic news for the city--it's absolutely the best possible outcome.
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Old 01-23-2020, 02:58 AM
 
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Lol
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Old 01-23-2020, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Chadds Ford
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It's a fact of life that fossil fuels are dying out; they're not called "renewable" resources for a reason.

Even if you're going to be so brazen as to deny the mountains of evidence that carbon dioxide is warming the planet, at the very least you can be on board with preparing for a future when those resources no longer exist (it's coming faster than we think).
We're actually running out of oil slower-than-expected: No Peak Oil For America Or The World

While there is obviously a finite amount of oil on Earth, technology is allowing us to access oil faster than we are depleting it. Proven oil reserves in the world continue to INCREASE.

Oil will eventually become antiquated due to environmental reasons or alternative energy becoming more cost-efficient; I would not rely on its demise being caused by scarcity.
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Old 01-26-2020, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Lower Bucks
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The Climate Crazies are set up for a long term disappointment. The Automobile with it's internal combustion engine is not going anywhere. With the investments made in the Highway System and the continuous upgrades, the improved efficiency in design by the auto makers and the US on the verge of energy independence, it is a clear roadway ahead.
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