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Old 11-03-2020, 08:07 AM
 
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Marxist yes. Progressive, no.
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Old 11-03-2020, 08:18 AM
 
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Marxist yes. Progressive, no.

Care to elaborate? I can't think of being more wrong.
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Old 11-03-2020, 10:00 AM
 
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NYC and Chicago's metropolitan areas have much more than half of their state's population. Philadelphia's metro is close to half, but a sizeable chunk of that is over in NJ. There are probably more rural voters in PA are there are voters in Philadelphia.

In any case, Pennsylvania is purple leaning blue.
True, but now that you mention it, the NYC metro area is just as split between NY and Jersey. I think something like 5 million of NY's metro live in NJ. Around a million live in CT as well.
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Old 11-03-2020, 10:02 AM
 
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This is ridiculous. It's devoid of logic.
Maybe devoid of some logic, but not mostly. A lot of rational thought is put into this. And truth be told, stereotypes are mostly based on reality.
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Old 11-03-2020, 10:05 AM
 
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1) As at least three others have pointed out to you, Metro New York (that portion of it in New York State) and Chicagoland (most of which is in Illinois) account for a greater share of their respective states' populations than Greater Philadelphia (about 40 percent of whose residents live in New Jersey, Delaware and Maryland) dies Pennsylvania's.

2) Philadelphia never has dominated state politics either, and not just because Pittsburgh is on the other side of the state. This state is shot through with small and medium-sized cities, some of which have gotten bluer over time (Harrisburg), others of which have long been liberal (Reading, and perhaps oddly, Lancaster), some of which are center-left (the Lehigh Valley conurbation), and some of which became less blue in 2016 (Erie, Scranton; Wilkes-Barre flipped). The view Pittsburghers have of Philadelphia is similar to the way Kansas Citians view St. Louis, though they are broadly similar when it comes to politics. And in the T, they regard Pennsylvania's first city as Sodom-and-Gomorrah-on-the-Delaware, a hopeless cesspool of corruption.

Maybe if the Southeast housed four of every 10 Pennsylvanians, this would be different, but it doesn't.

Edited to add: And there have been two other significant shifts: Philadelphia's collar counties increasingly vote like Philadelphia while the counties surrounding Pittsburgh turned Trumpy while Allegheny itself remained blue.
I always find your posts rational. However I wouldn't call cities with less than 50,000 people medium sized cities. They are small cities and shouldn't have that much sway over state politics. Illinois has tons of small cities as well yet Chicago absolutely dominates IL politics.
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Old 11-03-2020, 10:07 AM
 
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Care to elaborate? I can't think of being more wrong.
Try harder.

Kenney. Krasner.
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Old 11-03-2020, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Try harder.

Kenney. Krasner.
Ironically, I think his point is the complete lack of effort on your behalf. Using the term "Marxist" only shows your capacity to spew one of the most overused terms of right wing talking points.
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Old 11-03-2020, 10:42 AM
 
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ironically, i think his point is the complete lack of effort on your behalf. Using the term "marxist" only shows your capacity to spew one of the most overused terms of right wing talking points.

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Old 11-03-2020, 10:49 AM
 
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Ironically, I think his point is the complete lack of effort on your behalf. Using the term "Marxist" only shows your capacity to spew one of the most overused terms of right wing talking points.
I guess neither of you know their politics and recent actions then. Maybe get educated then get back to me. That is the perfect descriptive term unless you are just an Apparatchik.
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Old 11-03-2020, 10:51 AM
 
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I guess neither of you know their politics and recent actions then. Maybe get educated then get back to me. That is the perfect descriptive term unless you are just an Apparatchik.

lol. good one
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