Can Philly be viewed as a truly liberal city if PA is red?

[Duderino]

The "Democrats ruined America's cities!!!" schtick from the Right is getting so cliché at this point.

I'd love to hear some policy positions that would actually lead to meaningful and equitable revitalization and growth from Republicans, if they think they could run cities like Philadelphia so much better.

But no, the standard narrative from the GOP is to demonize and denounce everything urban, as though our country doesn't rely on its largest cities/metro areas for the vast majority of its economic output.

Perhaps some inner reflection is in order, because it's not cities like Philadelphia that are truly suffering these days, it's small town "red" America that faces the bleakest future without some serious economic diversification and forward thinking policies.

[Tom Lennox 70]

People will still separate the city and state. Louisiana is viewed as a very conservative state while New Orleans is viewed as a very liberal city. And keep in mind while Philadelphia's entire metro area is liberal, the same is NOT true of New Orleans where the liberalism ends at the city limits and once you get into the suburbs it gets very conservative very quickly. St. Tammany Parish went 70% for Trump and it contains the area's wealthiest, most educated suburbs.

And Pennsylvania will NEVER be seen as a red state Louisiana or Kansas style. At most it will be seen as a red leaning swing state like Florida, Ohio and Arizona. Nationally Philadelphia has a reputation as a very ghetto city and most people associate that with Democrat. Heck everyone also knows Memphis and Atlanta are Democrat cities in red states.

[MarketStEl]

Originally Posted by FindingZen

We are in agreement that Biden will only stick around for four years. We are in disagreement on the reasons why.

Based on references you made in earlier posts, it would appear that you are a senior citizen. Being an elder Gen-X'er, I'm at the stage where I may not be current on all the popular songs but know enough to have a sense of the style of certain acts and genres. Forgive my skepticism that "socialist/communist" lyrics were blasted at the rally site. You're also inadvertently casting aspersions on the smaller band of pro-Trump rally participants who showed up to ostensibly interrupt authorized observers of both political parties and stop counting the votes (while other supporters paradoxically encouraged continuing the count in states where Trump was then leading. But I digress...)

Based on the video I've seen and my coincidental run-in with a rally on Wednesday while coming out of the Reading Terminal Market - you'd be impressed with the place if you were to visit! - I'd say the participants were all passionate and focused.

They were, based on my encounter with the dueling groups of protesters on Thursday.

Yes, there were people wearing "Socialist Alternative" T-shirts among the crowd on the "Count Every Vote" side, but the music playing over the speakers had no "socialist/communist lyrics" that I could discern. It was mostly highly danceable stuff, and the lyrics weren't that memorable. The Count Every Voters were a motley crew, younger-looking than the Trumpistas (though not uniformly younger), and there were a great number of people walking around with "Count Every Vote" posters printed by the Communications Workers of America (the union that has also absorbed the NewsGuild, the former Newspaper Guild of America — the country's journalists' union).

Finishing this up Saturday morning: I just heard a story that could be filed in the "reality has a liberal bias" folder: The actual reporters who work for Fox News Channel have been covering the election straight up, with no slant, and this has apparently upset Trump and his supporters. FNC called Arizona for Biden before the Associated Press did — MSNBC still hasn't called it yet — and a Trump family member called the network demanding that they rescind their call (they haven't). Their reporters have been peppering Trump campaign officials with questions in which they cite *Republican* election officials and poll observers who report that they have seen no evidence of fraud in the counting or processing of ballots as well. (And in Philadelphia, there have been both Democratic and Republican poll watchers inside the Convention Center watching the ballot processing all along. This should also be the case in the state's 66 other counties, all of which had mail ballots to process.)

And so it came to pass that MSNBC-watchers, including me, got to hear an NBC News correspondent, reporting from the Maricopa County Board of Elections, delivering his story as Trump supporters chanted "Fox News sucks!" in the background. Apparently, they expect their news media to tell them what they want to hear, not what's happening.

[MarketStEl]

Originally Posted by Tom Lennox 70

People will still separate the city and state. Louisiana is viewed as a very conservative state while New Orleans is viewed as a very liberal city. And keep in mind while Philadelphia's entire metro area is liberal, the same is NOT true of New Orleans where the liberalism ends at the city limits and once you get into the suburbs it gets very conservative very quickly. St. Tammany Parish went 70% for Trump and it contains the area's wealthiest, most educated suburbs.

And Pennsylvania will NEVER be seen as a red state Louisiana or Kansas style. At most it will be seen as a red leaning swing state like Florida, Ohio and Arizona. Nationally Philadelphia has a reputation as a very ghetto city and most people associate that with Democrat. Heck everyone also knows Memphis and Atlanta are Democrat cities in red states.

The only red state I know of whose cities aren't blue is Oklahoma. And as far as "ghetto" qualities are concerned, I don't think that anyone ascribes that quality to Atlanta, or Charlotte, or Dallas, or Houston, or Tampa, or St. Petersburg, or Miami (though that city's Liberty City section is desperately poor too), or Richmond, or Louisville, or Columbus (OH), or Cincinnati, or....

This urban-rural divide is IMO the most salient political divide of our time.

And it's spreading to the suburbs: the ones in red states, or whose residents aren't as affluent or well-educated, or are located away from the coasts (all three), tend to vote like the rural folk, while those in purple or blue states, on the coasts, or very affluent and full of college-educated folks are voting increasingly urban.

Pat Toomey, Rick Santorum and Tom Corbett — the last of these the only Pennsylvania governor who failed to win re-election since governors were allowed to succeed themselves in 1968 — notwithstanding, Pennsylvania is very much centrist politically, with neither Repbulicans nor Democrats who get elected tending towards their parties' extremes. That is changing, however: you have those three Republicans mentioned above and troglodytes like State Rep. Darryl "Don't Touch Me, The Gay Might Rub Off on Me" Metcalfe on the one side and the democratic socialists who got elected last time around in two Philadelphia state House districts and the Working Families Party getting two of its endorsed candidates on City Council last year as counterexamples.
(But tbh, while Corbett was definitely more conservative than predecessors Tom Ridge and Dick Thornburgh, he wasn't radically so; I'd still put him to the left of Santorum and Toomey.)

[Pilot1]

Originally Posted by Muinteoir

Ironically, I think his point is the complete lack of effort on your behalf. Using the term "Marxist" only shows your capacity to spew one of the most overused terms of right wing talking points.

They're actually more Fascist. When you promote the criminal element to purposely create chaos, I don't know what else to tell you?

Their solution? Yet MORE government control of the law abiding only.

[FindingZen]

Originally Posted by Pilot1

They're actually more Fascist. When you promote the criminal element to purposely create chaos, I don't know what else to tell you?

Their solution? Yet MORE government control of the law abiding only.

Speaking of fascists…

Local Proud Boy leader Zach Rehl was among six members of the White supremacist organization convicted today of sedition and other charges related to January 6th.


https://www.inquirer.com/news/nation...0230504.html-2

[JacksonPanther]

Originally Posted by FindingZen

Speaking of fascists…

Local Proud Boy leader Zach Rehl was among six members of the White supremacist organization convicted today of sedition and other charges related to January 6th.


https://www.inquirer.com/news/nation...0230504.html-2

When will the executions be scheduled?

[MarketStEl]

Originally Posted by JacksonPanther

When will the executions be scheduled?

Article subhead:

The charge carries a prison sentence of up to 20 years.

Next potshot?